Well... The Semi Auto RPD FRT data is published...

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Two semi auto RPD variants were submitted to the lab by Arms East some time ago. January would have been 3 years I believe. Or is it 4... the time has been long.

And the news is not good...

136658 Wiselite Semi Auto RPD
142561 Project Guns Semi Auto RPD

Deemed prohibited as easily convertable to full auto. With the following quote in the legal section of each entry...

"- It is the inherent, full automatic essence/design of the firearm itself that makes this firearm susceptible to be "readily and easily converted from semi-automatic fire to fire shots in rapid succession with one pressure of the trigger in a relatively short period of time with relative ease".

Odd, as the receivers are purpose built as semi auto only. But who can argue with the lab. No really, they are the appointed experts. /sarc. I mean what easier way to prevent a no capacity limit belt fed semi auto from coming to the market than to say it is easily convertable without having to show how under the guise of "it would affect public safety if we said how" even though the guns will never be allowed into the country.

Honestly I thank AE for their efforts in attempting to bring an exciting new gun to the market. Not mad at them in any way. It is amazing anyone would want to be in this industry with this kind of process.
 
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Just have to prove them wrong on a few and they need to be discredited

Credibility is huge in court
Catch them lying a couple of times and their expertise mean F-All like it already does to some of us
 
Gatehouse said:
Well that sucks. I would have bought one in a heartbeat. I wouldn't have cared if it's restricted or not....
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It was never going to be restricted in its current configuration as imported.

Either non restricted or prohibited. It isn't a named prohib, or a variant of one, so the only thing the lab had to figure is whether it was easy to convert to full auto or not.

3 years into the exam, they say it is apparent from the original design alone that it is easy to convert. If it is so apparent, why did it take them 3 years to apparently see it was so?

Rhetorical question.
 
onetwentyish said:
Wow. I'm really disappointed these did not work out for you guys. I was hopin to some day try yours fenceline, now I guess that won't happen.

Hopefully AE presses the matter in the same way that Wolverine would. :(
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That's all I can hope for. I'm generally not one for conspiracy theories, but when the US BATF documentation says these receivers aren't easily converted to full auto, and the Canadian lab under a Liberal gov't says they are... it becomes very difficult not to have suspicions.
 
fenceline said:
That's all I can hope for. I'm generally not one for conspiracy theories, but when the US BATF documentation says these receivers aren't easily converted to full auto, and the Canadian lab under a Liberal gov't says they are... it becomes very difficult not to have suspicions.
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No doubt. I myself tend to believe that there are a lot of misrepresentations at the lab, as it has been noted before that there are numerous firearms incorrectly categorized as noted by... wasn't it Nwest when you had talked to them previously?

This is most likely going to become a new trend. I am curious to see what becones of the US Tavor SAR and x95 variety which are even more ground up designed SA.
 
Wow... the notes under the legal section of the FRT seem be a simple declaration of "prohib, because it is not the kind of firearm we want to see people owning", i.e. a simple policy decision being made by unelected bureaucrats who have appropriated the role of the Parliament of Canada for themselves.

"...full automatic essence/design of the firearm..." is, obviously, meaningless rhetoric. That same vacuous standard could be applied to any overall design which has both select-fire and semi-automatic incarnations.... somewhere in the world (AR-15, M14, Mini 14, Tavor, Glock pistol, etc. ad infinitum). This is not what Hasselwander (which itself has introduced a concept... "it's not what you have, it's what you can turn it into".... which has become a cancer which has slowly but surely been eating away the legal framework of rational, fact-based, objective firearms regulation) was ever supposed to be about.

Hasselwander is supposed to be demonstrative: can it be converted quickly and readily, or not. It is not theoretical or "design" or "essence" based. It has to be demonstrated. Even the Type 97A cases (including mine) recognized this. There were two sears in the firearm: a primary and a secondary (sometimes called a "full auto" sear). That was a massive problem which, ultimately, no amount of argument could overcome. The initial importer/distributor (circa 2005) screwed-up. It wasn't a true semi-auto rework of the QBZ-95. The demonstration was an easy one for the RCMP. I don't think that is the case here, but I would need to know more.

"...where a weapon can be quickly and readily converted to automatic status, that weapon falls within the definition of "prohibited weapon"."
https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/1007/index.do

As a lawyer who has been devoting part of my practice to these issues for the last 10 years, starting with T97A, I hope I can be involved in some way with this. I don't have the luxury of pursuing this pro bono for the next 3-6 years... which, in Canada, generally means that probably not much happens. I want to talk to Solomon and Ed, and everyone else, to see what their thoughts are on this... but if all you have to do now is point out the "...full automatic essence/design of the firearm..." and prohibit it on that basis, then there is a whole new game in town.

The lab seems to have its swagger back. If Steven Blaney (God bless him, best minister gun owners have ever had in this country) were still minister, he would get involved in a big way. God knows what happens now. I'm not sure a semi-auto version of a Soviet era belt-fed GPM is the best test case, from a strategic point of view.... but it seems to me a no-brainer that the Lab would use this as a pivot point... on the assumption that courts won't back citizens right to own this firearm anyway... so this is a great one in which to emasculate the last objective aspects of Hasselwander. Based on those comments in the FRT, that appears to be what they are doing. Hasselwander no longer means anything, you just simply declare something to be easily convertible. Or, ...at the very least they have gotten strident and bold again.
 
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I just called the RCMP's complaint commission to place my complaint. If I can't have what's reasonably allowed by the law, I'm going to put up a stink about it.
 
Is anyone really surprised that the rpd was deemed prohibited? I mean I know these were semi auto only versions but they are essentially semi auto version of a LMG.......similar to the semi auto only versions of the AK(which we all know is prohib). Plus correct me if I'm wrong, but is the RDP & its variants not named as prohib as a result of c68?

Still sucks I know....the lab has crazy inconsistent results.
 
Just another example of politicos making up the rules as they go...or want them to go. Not a lawyer but as ghostie points out (please correct me if I'm wrong) the "can it be converted quickly or readily or not" is in my mind (albeit small) is like proven beyond a reasonable doubt. If this is so, it appears they, as stated before, are making up the rules as they go. No wonder we are the most ruled and regulated country in the world. I can see people being convicted because the system (crown and judges) "think" you stole, assaulted someone, drove over your husband...whatever. When is this BS in this so called FREE country going to end.......sadly I only see it getting worse.
ANOTHER government dictated disappointment...I can only imagine how those who wanted to purchase one must feel after what, almost 3 years of waiting to get an answer that sounds like one my mother would give me when I was a kid..."Because I said so!" How absolutely F*%#$##@ pathetic. Where do we send donations for this cause??
 
onetwentyish said:
No doubt. I myself tend to believe that there are a lot of misrepresentations at the lab, as it has been noted before that there are numerous firearms incorrectly categorized as noted by... wasn't it Nwest when you had talked to them previously?

This is most likely going to become a new trend. I am curious to see what becones of the US Tavor SAR and x95 variety which are even more ground up designed SA.
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This is not a new trend.

The reason the RPD decision took so long is they had to wait for the Liberal Gov to be in power.
Many more to follow .
The Liberal Gov will announce they have taken action on our complaints that it takes years to get a FRT issued on a new import.
I'm sure the RCMP will be happy to issue all new FRT requests in a short order now.
The new motto is {Presumed prohibited unless proven otherwise in a court of law}
RPD classified as prohibited
No surprise here :rolleyes:
 
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84wh1 said:
Is anyone really surprised that the rpd was deemed prohibited? I mean I know these were semi auto only versions but they are essentially semi auto version of a LMG.......similar to the semi auto only versions of the AK(which we all know is prohib). Plus correct me if I'm wrong, but is the RDP & its variants not named as prohib as a result of c68?

Still sucks I know....the lab has crazy inconsistent results.
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Wrong on so many levels. Being an lmg look means nothing. The rpd is not named as prohib by c68. And the semi auto versions of the ak are prohib because the ak is named prohib by c68. The rpd came before the ak so it isn't a variant.
 
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