What he said! I've been hunting for around 40 yrs. and shooting for about 50 (ish). I've had the chance to handle and shoot a lot of different firearms and I've bagged my game almost without exception with one shot. I don't take "iffy" shots and as Eaglelord mentioned, I work up loads for everything I hunt with. I shoot recreationally to keep my skills sharp and my eye up. Age takes its toll and I have glass now on everything I hunt with. On a plus side, good glass gathers light well and early and/or late shots are comfortably doable when I couldn't say the same for iron sights. Bear in mind, I'm speaking personally here. I nailed my first deer with a No.4 LE (140 yds., open sights, one shot kill) and it's still one of my favourite rifles. Very slick and fast bolt, simple, rugged, reliable, and proven. A point was made earlier about rusty or poorly maintained milsurps. Why target milsurps? Any firearm, improperly cleaned and/or maintained can fail to perform. How many people aren't aware that it's good practice to take any new firearm, commercial or military, strip it down, degrease it, and relube with a proper firearm lubricant prior to use?