who here has imported ammo from USA?

elvis3006 said:
i know this has been discussed in previous posts,so forgive me. i am still confused:( i get an IIC.....now once i have this[IIC] i place an order for ammo from a dealer in the USA, or vise versa. this guy in the States already has an export permit. i pay him,and he can now ship to me directly, or am i wrong here? do i need to have it shipped from the dealer in the USA to someone here in Canada a dealer as well with an import/export permit, and do i need a broker? i have heard that you can avoid using a broker.
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elvis3006 said:
unless you can answer my question please keep opinions to yourself. thank you. i have read stickies till blue in the face,regardless i still want to hear from those who have done this.
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You haven't read the stickies. If you had read the stickies you wouldn't be so f**king ignorant.

You quote the IIC as though ammunition was a gun part. Ammunition is not a gun part, it's ammunition. Ammunition, in Canada, is regulated as explosives.

If you want to import ammunition into Canada legally, start with the stickies, in Legalese, like sunray told you, and then move to the Natural Resources Canada Explosives Safety and Security Branch website.

http://www.nrcan-rncan.gc.ca/mms-smm/expl-expl/index-eng.htm
 
brokensoldier said:
Just purchase an Alaska non-resident small game license for $20.

Then you can buy ammo in the states legally:
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As noted, you can buy it but it is still illegal to export. People really have to get their heads around the laws and understand exportation vs importation. As noted, you take quite the risk to save a couple of bucks.

Now to answer the question on importation. I would suggest you give DFAIT a call and discuss how to import ammunition particularly when you will not be importing it. Given the status of ammuniton, it will likely be complex and problematic.
 
Wendell said:
You haven't read the stickies. If you had read the stickies you wouldn't be so f**king ignorant.

You quote the IIC as though ammunition was a gun part. Ammunition is not a gun part, it's ammunition. Ammunition, in Canada, is regulated as explosives.

If you want to import ammunition into Canada legally, start with the stickies, in Legalese, like sunray told you, and then move to the Natural Resources Canada Explosives Safety and Security Branch website.

http://www.nrcan-rncan.gc.ca/mms-smm/expl-expl/index-eng.htm
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Hey Wendall,,,,other than telling the OP he is ####ing ignorant

you didn't answer his question

he is looking for an answer from someone who has done this

all others need not apply....

he did say he read the stickies, but is unable to make head or tails of it, so he wants someone with first hand experience to let him know how it goes

sheeesh give the guy a break.....
 
Morpheus32 said:
Negative....and you know it too....but I see the :)

We have one CGN member who has a 5 year ban from the US for doing something that they have been doing for years....but this time got caught....
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Sarcasm is angers' ugly cousin.........:D
Really though, there's no amount that you could save by risking huge lawyer bills and all the repercussions unless you're buying ammo by the boatload , even then you'd probably get a better price from Russia or China.
 
yes you can save money......I fail too see how no one sees that

on certain items there is an opportunity to save money at times half of what it costs here

for the guys who have a short drive to the border and back, it works out.....

this is with doing it legally...........
 
Wendell said:
Where did you come from?

Have you ever heard of the 2nd Amendment?

Did you know that, in most states, a law-abiding citizen doesn't require any "firearms license"?
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I did no that some states do not require a firearms license. Do I think that no requirement for a firearms license is the right way to go, hell no. The license is the best way to separate us good guys from the bad guys who should not be able to get a license with a criminal record.

Having said that, the license should also mean that we should have the discretion to buy whatever firearms and ammo we want wherever we want to get it from Canada or the US because we have been cleared. Being a law abiding citizen should have it privilages, and the licenses that we have here in Canada should give us a heck of alot more privilages than it does.

Canadian criminals buy their ammo in the states, because of the ease of purchase knowing that the only risk that they face is a random spotcheck at the border. I think that is a problem. Don't you?

I buy my G N A in Canada, and do not mind showing my pal to get it knowing that it ensures that it is only sold to the law abiding. Do you get upset when someone asks to see your pal before you make a purchase?
 
new and novice said:
Canadian criminals buy their ammo in the states, because of the ease of purchase knowing that the only risk that they face is a random spotcheck at the border. I think that is a problem. Don't you?
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Really ???? LOL

I think it would be easier for them to reload their own

but I am sure, that since they buy their guns here in Canada, they are getting the ammo here as well...not sure how many criminals do cross border shopping.....:)
 
Ftaview said:
yes you can save money......I fail too see how no one sees that

on certain items there is an opportunity to save money at times half of what it costs here

for the guys who have a short drive to the border and back, it works out.....

this is with doing it legally...........
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Legally according to both Canadian and US laws? Or only Canadian?

The reason no one has answered the OP's question is because it can't be done in a legal way that makes economic sense. If it could be done, we'd all be doing it.
 
Ftaview said:
I said legally.......didn't think I had to specify legally on both sides....

just look at my example of prices, at take it from there
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What are the costs of getting all the paperwork in order might I ask, since you seem too know that it is still feasible to still buy it from the States even after all these documentation costs ? I remember reading somewhere that an importing permit was around $5000 or maybe I remember it wrong. Then you'd have to pay customs duties, maybe Hazmat taxes for shipping etc. Not saying it can't be done, just if it's worth doing it.
 
call the number below and ask.....

I am a Canadian citizen going to the United States and would like to bring ammunition back with me. Can I do this? How much can I bring?

Canadian citizens must obey U.S. federal and state laws for purchasing ammunition in the United States. For more information, refer to the ATF Brochure on Non-Immigrant Aliens Purchasing Firearms and Ammunition in the United States (PDF, 75 kb).

For personal use, Canadian residents can import 5000 rounds. An Explosives Import Permit must be obtained to import larger quantities.

For details on taxes please contact the Canada Border Services Agency nearest you.

Canada Border Services Agency
Telephone (toll-free in Canada): 1-800-461-9999
Telephone (other countries): 204-983-3500 or 506-636-5064

To obtain an import permit to Canada from the Explosives Regulatory Division (ERD), contact:

Explosives Regulatory Division
1431 Merivale Road
Ottawa, ON K1A 0G1
Telephone: 613-948-5200
Fax: 613-948-5195
E-mail

To obtain an import permit to Canada from International Trade Canada (ITCan), apply to ITCan for an International Import Certificate by calling 613-996-2387 or by faxing your request to 613-996-9933 and requesting blank application forms.

For the importation of model rocket motors, black powder, and smokeless powder, refer to the table of personal exemptions on our web site.
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Exporting ammo usa can't be done legally without using the services of a registered exporter. I believe that they have to have a federal firearms license or ffl. If you were to use the services of one of those guys, the cost of that service will not make it economical to follow through with the purchase. Just email one of them asking what it would cost for say 300rnds of 9mm. Here is an email link to Hurricane butterfly research group: Jason M. Wong <jason@hurricanebutterflyresearch.com> If it is cost effective, I will split the purchase with you.

No wait we can't do that. Because it is against the law to do a group purchase under one export application. It sucks I know.

Best suggestion that I could make to you is to write a letter to Obama, Clinton, Napolitano, and the head of the ddtc a MR Kovac.

I shouldn't be the only one who has written these people expressing our fustrations, and suggestions for secure improvements.

Good luck!
 
here I think I got the right ones....

Importation Permits

Listed below are the three main types of Importation Permits available through ERD:
Type A (Annual) Import Permit

This type of Importation Permit is valid for unlimited shipments during a 12-month period; however, the quantity is restricted to the storage and licence capacity of the importer, or as allowed by the permit. Annual Import Permits can be amended after they have been issued.

With the exception of automotive explosives, and subject to a maximum fee of $1,300, $160 plus $20 for each 1 000 kg NEQ imported, the fee is calculated

* on the basis of the estimated maximum quantity of explosives to be imported during the year, for an initial application; and
* on the basis of the quantity imported during the most recent year, for any subsequent application.

Type G (General) Import Permit

The General Importation Permit is valid for a single importation during a 12-month period. The quantity is restricted to the storage and licence capacity of the importer, or as allowed by the permit. Once a general permit has been issued, no amendments will be allowed.

Subject to a fee of $160.
Application for an import permit

Please find below the link to Form 13 (PDF, 127 kb) (Application for Import Permit) to be used for import permit applications from the ERD. For annual permit holders, please submit an Importers Information Report – Form 16 on line after each shipment or in a bulk transmittal at the end of each month or at then end of each year. The Form 13 is available below in PDF format and paper copies can also be obtained by contacting the ERD. The ERD has modified the forms in format, design and content for ease of completion. Please ensure that the form is completed accurately and in a timely manner. Import permit applications and renewal applications will not be processed until the forms have been received.

Please send completed Form 13 (PDF, 127 kb) and payment by mail or by fax to:

Explosives Regulatory Division
Natural Resources Canada
1431 Merivale Road
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0G1
Fax: (613) 948–5195

Please be advised that the web-based reporting and transmission of the Importers Information Report – Form 16 is now in place. The system will ensure better data integrity, accurate reporting and easier transmission of data. Paper, e-mail and fax copies will no longer be accepted.
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Here is another link to someone at the ddtc a branch of the us department of state. They are responsible for all munitions and firearms in the US except for shotguns. Shotguns are the responsibility of the department of commerce through the batf.

If you have any questions to ask they will have the right answers for you. again that email address is GeisSM@state.gov .
 
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