Who is running a slide mounted RDS?
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wayupnorth
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ive run a Leopold Deltapoint on my M&P PRO CORE for the last couple years, its fantastic i really like it.
i put a Vortex Venom on my Glock 40 here earlier this year and it was half the price of my Deltapoint and seems to work good.
only real difference between them is the Deltapoint turns itself on and on and off, which is a nice feature.
i put a Vortex Venom on my Glock 40 here earlier this year and it was half the price of my Deltapoint and seems to work good.
only real difference between them is the Deltapoint turns itself on and on and off, which is a nice feature.
I have a Vortex Crossfire mounted on my Ruger Mark IV tactical. I put a thousand rounds through it today, on top of 1400 over last weekend. Yes, it’s only a .22LR, rail mounted, but the accuracy is astonishing. With my Glocks, S&W, I do very little range work beyond 15 yds. With the Ruger and the Vortex, anything less than 25 yds is boring.
It’s a hell of an ego booster; makes me feel like I can really shoot! The Vortex is not a mini red dot, and being rail mounted more suitable for something like the Ruger, but it’s a decent piece of gear for not a lot of money. 11 brightness settings, 2 MOA dot, no bleed over or pixeling on bright settings, and tough; I’ve run it on a couple of different rifles, so it’s been banged around, dropped, etc. Comes with two mounts, high and low. I’m happy with it; it’s never lost zero regardless of what I’ve run it on.
I’m in my sixties, so my eyes are losing the age fight. Irons are still my preference; I can acquire them quicker I think, but with bifocals, I look like a dork, head tipped back so I’m looking at the ceiling trying to get a good sight picture. Red dots on everything are in my future, but I don’t know that I’ll be happy about that
It’s a hell of an ego booster; makes me feel like I can really shoot! The Vortex is not a mini red dot, and being rail mounted more suitable for something like the Ruger, but it’s a decent piece of gear for not a lot of money. 11 brightness settings, 2 MOA dot, no bleed over or pixeling on bright settings, and tough; I’ve run it on a couple of different rifles, so it’s been banged around, dropped, etc. Comes with two mounts, high and low. I’m happy with it; it’s never lost zero regardless of what I’ve run it on.
I’m in my sixties, so my eyes are losing the age fight. Irons are still my preference; I can acquire them quicker I think, but with bifocals, I look like a dork, head tipped back so I’m looking at the ceiling trying to get a good sight picture. Red dots on everything are in my future, but I don’t know that I’ll be happy about that
He is talking about me
I milled a P10C out and it was LOCKED in place and the zero drifted.
It got replaced because the coating on the lens was coming off and when I got it back I mounted it on a SP01 shadow via dove tail mount in the rear sight and that config has a wandering zero too. The replacement unit also has a screwed up dot. More like a mangy Christmas tree vs a tri-angle. (My Second DP Pro sits on my Ruger 22/45 MkIV and is perfect)
Im planning on making a non-reciprocating mount for it next just to test. Not sure if it will be this season, but when its up and running I will test for a full season.
Bartok, you said "Both the Leupold and the Holosun have top-loading batteries with no need for sight removal or re-zeroing"
But all my 507c's have bottom loading batteries that need the red dot to come off the slide for battery replacement!?!?!
Which in hind sight shouldn't be an issue with the 507c as the batteries last 10 years on setting # 6 brightness
But all my 507c's have bottom loading batteries that need the red dot to come off the slide for battery replacement!?!?!
Which in hind sight shouldn't be an issue with the 507c as the batteries last 10 years on setting # 6 brightness
My mistake. There may be others, as I was going by my memory which is dodgy at the best of times...
Bartok5 a hell of a good right up, I have just use the Vortex Viper and Venom?, the Viper you can change the battery from the top, it has always worked good for me , on a 1911 45colt, the venom you have to take it off, I had a bad battery contact and they sent me a new one, I have pictures if I can find them.
That 1911 which is a tuned gun will shoot a super group if I hold steady, which I have doing these days.
That 1911 which is a tuned gun will shoot a super group if I hold steady, which I have doing these days.
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Here is a M&P CORE with DeltaPoint. There are two downsides to the DP. The battery is replaced from the bottom, which requires removal of the sight. Adjustments require a tiny torque wrench. The one supplied will not clear the rear sight, and must be altered. Heat, reshape, re-heat treat. The iron sights can be seen through the DP. The DP was not recommended for the CORE for this reason. The adjustments are also primitive. Lots of slop, no clicks. One zeroed, stays zeroed. The DP was replaced by the DeltaPoint Pro.
I have a Pro on the CORE now. The adjustments are vastly superior, as is battery change (from the top). It is higher, so the irons cannot be used.
These sights are retained by two screws. Use Loctite.
Neither of these Leupolds have been problematic. Both worked as designed. Others have reported having to return the sights for warranty service because of problems.
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Black Box Customs in Calgary, Red Tower Armoury in Ajax, Ont and Tactical Ordnance in Newmarket, Ont have all done top notch milling / RDS installation work for me. Price wise they are all about the same if I recall but their websites will confirm.
Expect fairly long lead times due to how busy they are but if you call or email them they can provide a rough timeframe. Good luck.
I am surprised the Burris 111 is considered a hobby sight. I have friends in the States that have run them on their steel guns for years. One has over 10K on three different 9MM guns with nary a hiccup. There is a lot of advertising on some of the higher priced models of essentially the same technology. For most, IDPA/IPSC fellows shooting 5K - 10K rounds per year the Vortex Viper/Venom and Burris 111's are more than adequate. They don't have quite the panache of the higher end sights though.
Not sure why one would put an Optic on a home defense gun unless you envision more than my imagination can contrive.
Take Care
Bob
Not sure why one would put an Optic on a home defense gun unless you envision more than my imagination can contrive.
Take Care
Bob
That's just my opinion of the Burris MRDS as compared to the higher-end offerings from competing companies. I wouldn't read too much into my personal assessment. That said, I still wouldn't trust my life to one...
Can your imagination contrive having fixed-focus eyesight that cannot switch between the foresight and the target when using iron sights? That is precisely why I run an MRDS on any of the pistols that I would consider using to defend my life or that of a family member. It is currently the only system that permits me to effectively engage targets at social distances with a handgun.
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Mark I can't imagine using my sights at any distance I would see myself involved with in a home invasion. Under 15 feet I would be point shooting at best. Any realistic situation would be over quick, I can't imagine an extended gun fight like you see on TV. That's for the movies
My neighbour lost his wife to a home invader. She bled out from a knife wound and his involvement took place in less than 3 feet. You need to practice more if you can't hit a torso at five yards with out using your sights - iron or optic.. I suspect you can with both.
I have no problem using iron sights and shooting accurately focusing on the front sight. Most people don't. We are talking minute of man not a 4" plate at 25 yards.
I can't imagine a need to worry about a home invasion where I live but it could happen and I take the necessary precautions.
All the Best
Bob
My neighbour lost his wife to a home invader. She bled out from a knife wound and his involvement took place in less than 3 feet. You need to practice more if you can't hit a torso at five yards with out using your sights - iron or optic.. I suspect you can with both.
I have no problem using iron sights and shooting accurately focusing on the front sight. Most people don't. We are talking minute of man not a 4" plate at 25 yards.
I can't imagine a need to worry about a home invasion where I live but it could happen and I take the necessary precautions.
All the Best
Bob
You'd be surprise at how easy it is to miss at close distances.
Nope, easy done. SO'd a shooter two years ago who missed an IDPA target from no more than arms length with two rounds. He would have missed if he had a telescope on his pistol. He did manage to get all the targets out to 10 yards. Sometimes gun God says "nope not today".
I had a Master shooter argue a single hole was indeed a double on a target he shot at from no more than three feet. He simply missed the target and his ego would not let it go.
I also have a friend in Chilliwack who served with the South African Army when they had a bit of a dust up in S.W. Africa. He was using a FN Hi-Power and admitted to me after the fire fight he could not remember using his sights once on his pistol while engaging in close quarters. Strange things happen when events are for real.
I am not inclined to have to search for a "Dot" when it really counts. Others may and that is OK too.
Take Care
Bob
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Phat Eagle
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I bought a Glock 17 that was milled for a RMR at Tac Ord. Like Bartok5 I use the LED only. It's a Gen 1 and has held zero despite much abuse.
It took awhile to get used to... For the longest time I was faster with irons, but once I finally mastered it my RDS is now faster and accurate. Guess it's a good excuse to go to the range more while learning!
It took awhile to get used to... For the longest time I was faster with irons, but once I finally mastered it my RDS is now faster and accurate. Guess it's a good excuse to go to the range more while learning!
We ran a multigun match where you used your shotgun to blow some hinges and kick a door open.
The simulated hinges were just some hanging clay targets, but you could literally touch the clay with the muzzle of the shotgun...... People still missed
I have a P320RX, and strangely, find it easier to use the fixed sights. I am equal eye dominant, and don't have a natural bias as to which eye finds the dot first (which is only visible once you "place" the dot within the window). I find it easier to look at the front and rear sights which are visible all the time and then line them up... strange.
