Why is Beretta so bad?
- Thread starter RCPerkins
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They're so complicated to operate; the manufacturer has to print on the slide that we have to read the manual before using it...
I heard newer models will come with a smarttag on them that will lead you directly to the pdf manual on beretta.com
That doesn't make sense.
1) Nowhere does it say a Beretta .40 needs a new locking block at 10,000 rounds. In fact, MOST pistols require at least some minor parts replacement in the 10,000-20,000 range (i.e. springs, etc.). Ever see a 1911 hit 10K without a breakage? I never have, but ppl continue to infatuate with the 1911. I do not have 10,000 rounds through my Beretta and I'm pretty sure you don't either. I'd bet the number of board members who have fired 10,000 pistol rounds in their lifetime is less than 500. The number to put that many through the same gun, maybe 50 or less. Reading online, a locking block failure in any beretta, even a 96, at 10K is not highly probable.
2) Beretta has more parts than a Glock for a lot of reasons, but if you subtract the grips, screws, bushings, washers and decocker parts for it being DA/SA, it has about the same number of parts as a glock. It would be pretty tough to machine a lower receiver with integral grips, while Glock just molds them that way. I prefer machined metal to tupperware. Your milage may vary.
3) Beretta has been building virtually all their pistols with exposed barrels since around 1934. It makes ejection more reliable and shaves ounces off the gun - not sure why you dislike that so much? I wish Glock and SIG would similarly put their slides on a diet. And while they are at it, drop the cheap-@ss tennifer coatings and properly chrome line those barrels!!!
4) I run the DAO models with rtigger jobs. No decocker, fewer parts, no safety, no exposed hammer. They make a lot of variants for a lot of shooters' styles. Try a D model - it sounds like most of your issues would go away if you did.
No...
For starters, I've fired close to 40,000 through my original G17, and that's the rounds I've fired, not the rounds others have fired(probably about 3000 from others). I've replaced exactly one trigger spring and replace the recoil spring like you would for any other semi auto. I've experienced exactly ZERO stoppages that weren't related to bad ammo(I don't shoot reloads, bad ammo means dead primers or in one case no primer at all). As for 1911's, they're outdated garbage as well. All things being equal, I would take a 1911 over a Beretta any day of the week. A consistent single action trigger and a much longer pedigree makes the 1911 a clear winner over a Beretta.
As for lock block failures, I can tell you I've personally seen it happen to the same gun 3 times within a year. I've also seen a .40cal Beretta (the 96 I believe) crack the frame right across the grip/magwell. I have a Beretta Armorers manual and it states that lock blocks should be replaced around 10k rounds. Again, why is it that Beretta has a 3 piece locking block/lugs and every other quality pistol has integral lugs machined into the barrel?
The exposed slide is a dumb idea. It has done nothing to reduce weight and only aids in allowing debris into the action. If your design doesn't reliably eject without having the slide trimmed, then your design sucks. I don't see any other manufacturer following suit with regards to a trimmed slide. Some would call that a clue. Another fine point I failed to mention is the integral front sight. What a stupid idea. They now market a removable front sight, only 30 years late to the game but hey who's counting. Here's some fine points right from the horses mouth. Note the "average" life of a lock block and the rigorous 5000 rounds without failure. What a joke.
http://www.berettausa.com/products/model-92a1/
Two-thirds of all M9 pistols endurance tested at Beretta U.S.A. fired 5,000 rounds without a single mal function or, at most, with only one malfunction.
• The average durability of Beretta M9 slides is over 35,000 rounds, the point at which U.S. Army testing ceases.
• The average durability of M9 frames is over 30,000 rounds. The average durability of M9 locking blocks is 22,000 rounds.
The D series still have a hammer, its just bobbed. There is no reason for an exposed hammer, it serves no purpose. The consistent trigger on DAO Beretta's is a a benefit over the DA/SA models, but its still atrociously heavy and long with a piss poor reset. The fact Beretta offers a DAO gun with no external safety speaks negatively about their 92FS series. The safety/decocker is in a horrible location both for operation as well a working the slide. Why anyone would design a decocker that also acts as a manual safety is beyond me. If the hammer is down, why the desire to disable the firearm further? SIG got that right, decock and leave it alone.
Chrome barrels are not necessary, nor are chrome or nickel plated slides. They're tools and tools require some maintenance. If you can't keep corrosion off your tools then you shouldn't be operating them. That being said, the tenifer finish on a Glock for example is nearly bomb proof with an Rc hardness of 69, a diamond rates at an Rc of 70.
Beretta is the oldest maker of firearms and yet they are considered a non contender for MIL/LE contracts. Even their attempt at a polymer pistol is a complete failure. To add to the already poor performance and design of Beretta products, they charge an arm and a leg for them.
TDC
I ran roughly 15,000 rounds in my M9 and I don't remember having any kind of malfunction before the locking block failed. So yes, my M9 was very reliable but not durable. How many rounds did you shoot tru your M9/92FS ?
Look up
15000 rounds before your lock block failed?? I'm sorry I don't follow? It FAILED.
TDC
I bet it didn't feel reliable anymore when it broke. 15000 rounds is small compared to the expected life of a durable handgun. There are people who shot upwards of 120 000 rounds through their Glock, and rare failures were not attributed to the desing, finish/treatment or factory parts.
Someting that breaks isn't reliable.
That's nice that it didn't bother you. I'm not really concerned what bothers you or other "enthusiasts". If it fails, its a lemon. Especially with such a low round count. Your lack of concern doesn't discredit the fact that Beretta builds garbage products.
TDC
You're missing the point by at least two light years.
Military M9s are getting an average life of 30,000 rounds and that is with NATO ammo and much lower maintenance then the average person gives their guns and use in much more harsh environments. Proper care and maintenance will extend ANY pistols life and it is much easier to abuse and break a Glock then people think. It is NOT the end all of pistols...
I've learnt not to argue with the likes of someone like TDC,Dont let them drag you down to thier level,Hes the guy that has something negative to say about everything and loves the conflict and drama he causes.
Hes just moody Jersey Shore is over...
