Wk180c issues and problems

[cr5]

Trucks also come with a bunch of crap now that was optional or non-existant 30 years ago. Back-up cameras, proximity sensors, satellite radio receivers, seat heaters, power locks, power windows, powered seat adjustments, bluetooth, LCD displays, keyless entry, remote starter, etc etc.

Yup, definitely at least $50K worth of useless comfort crap for the lazy and spoiled with more money than brains. Trucks and cars are much better now that they've designed them to fall apart as soon as the warranty is up if they even make it that long.
My 2009 GMC truck with less than 200000Km needs a new box because it rusted out from the inside, the paint was still good until I saw a little brown paint bubble, poking it revealed a small rust hole that when I started grinding turned into a massive hole that would cost more to repair than buying a new box. Inspecting the other side revealed the same. Vehicles today are chit with a bunch of luxury junk that doesn't typically last more than 5 years so we keep buying new vehicles to keep the auto manufacturers in business.
They're also making them so electronically dependant now that you can't diagnose problems with your own vehicles any more.
Radio advertisements tell us that if our vehicle has over 100000K on it we need to replace it.

Yup, vehicles sure are better now. Cost 10x the price and have a fraction of the service life. But at least now we have a warm bum when we drive during the winter.
Oh ya, and my 2009 with active displacement gets about the same mileage as the 2006 it replaced which got about the same mileage as the 1994 truck I replaced it with. All they do is lie about the mileage saying they're more efficient then tell you some dumb made up excuse why it doesn't get the claimed mileage when you complain to the dealership.

 

[Jäger1]

Yup, definitely at least $50K worth of useless comfort crap for the lazy and spoiled with more money than brains. Trucks and cars are much better now that they've designed them to fall apart as soon as the warranty is up if they even make it that long.
My 2009 GMC truck with less than 200000Km needs a new box because it rusted out from the inside, the paint was still good until I saw a little brown paint bubble, poking it revealed a small rust hole that when I started grinding turned into a massive hole that would cost more to repair than buying a new box. Inspecting the other side revealed the same. Vehicles today are chit with a bunch of luxury junk that doesn't typically last more than 5 years so we keep buying new vehicles to keep the auto manufacturers in business.
They're also making them so electronically dependant now that you can't diagnose problems with your own vehicles any more.
Radio advertisements tell us that if our vehicle has over 100000K on it we need to replace it.

Yup, vehicles sure are better now. Cost 10x the price and have a fraction of the service life. But at least now we have a warm bum when we drive during the winter.
Oh ya, and my 2009 with active displacement gets about the same mileage as the 2006 it replaced which got about the same mileage as the 1994 truck I replaced it with. All they do is lie about the mileage saying they're more efficient then tell you some dumb made up excuse why it doesn't get the claimed mileage when you complain to the dealership.

We could totally derail this thread fanning each other's balls about how much new vehicles are utter garbage!

 

[Cee-8]

We could totally derail this thread fanning each other's balls about how much new vehicles are utter garbage!

Well it was bound to happen. Most of the issues with the WK seem to be under control as I don't hear many complaints flooding in on the web. The QC issues in the first 1,000 was spotty. Some managed to get a good gun while others got the problematic ones. These were sent back for warranty claims. Kodiak's customer service is great. The major complaint about customer service was that some customers had to pay for shipping for rifles that had clear factory defects.

I heard the analogy that the automobile dealership doesn't pay for you to return your car for recalls. So you shouldn't be upset at the manufacturer for forcing you to pay out of your own pocket for warranty work. A rifle is not a car. The whole purpose of buying this rifle was to keep the costs down. I don't mind being the test driver for first batch, but don't expect me to pay for the privilege of working out the bugs in your buggy.

The main issue is to see how these rifles perform over time with increased round counts. If it continues to be a good tool, I'll keep it. If not its gone.

If Trudeau makes WK restricted then it's a mute point or me. I will go back to my AR. No contest. That rifle is time tested and has been improved for over 50 years.

You can still pick up a S&W M&P sport 2 for under $700 (Restricted). Why am I being so critical? Simple, I wasn't one of the lucky ones who's rifle performed right out of the box. I have been to the range 3 times so far. Two trips have been utter failures (gas block loose, and FTE). On the last trip, things went well.

At best, I am cautiously optimistic about this gun. I can't shake the feeling I experienced when owning a Keltec. In the back of my mind I'm waiting for it to fail.

It's not a fair comparison. The WK180 is no Keltec by any stretch of the imagination thank God.

Here's hoping range trip 4 will be a good one.

 

[GUB]

Many of us have only a handful of rounds through ours..
Wait till Sept. when we all have a 1000 rds. down the pipe

 

[Bonjour43ma]

I'll definitely try the heavier stuff next time! Have some 75gr hornady match and some 62gr bulk too.

Quick trip to the range with a box of 75gr stuff. This is the best 5 shot group but I think the 55gr bullets are more consistent. Will test more next time though I'm probably just going to throw a red dot on it and call it a day.

Distance: 100m/109yards (set properly on the app this time)
Scope: 3-18x50 ffp chinese scope
Ammo: Hornady steel match .223 75gr

 

[Cee-8]

That's not an assault rifle. That there is a sniper rifle or at the very least a DMR....lol.

 

[Bonjour43ma]

Lol assualting papers. Oh the humanity! Save the children!

 

[cr5]

We could totally derail this thread fanning each other's balls about how much new vehicles are utter garbage!

You're right, sorry that was way more long winded of an explanation than it needed to be.


Cee-8
Don't condem Keltec entirely based on your experiences with their bottom end crap. I've owned a Sub 2000 and shot a few SU-16's and can't argue your opinion if you only look at those but I've also owned an RFB and a KSG and they are an entirely different level of quality. Both mine functioned 100% from day one.

And even though I agree with you that when you buy a new rifle it should work, and if it doesn't it shouldn't cost you more money just to end up with what you paid for. I can't help but compare to any other product in the world where if you want warranty it's up to you to get it to the service center. There is always the rare exception where the service center will send you a pre-paid shipping label but the norm is for the consumer to get the product to the warranty center.

By the way it's moot not mute.

Nice shooting bonjour43, if these are capable of close to 1 moa with factory loads I don't think anyone has anything to complain about in the accuracy department. For a $1000 rifle that's very respectable.
Try a couple other types of match ammo and you'll probably find something that shoots even better. Also try some 60 grain stuff, I've had great results with 60gr Noslers in most 223's with a 7 or 8 twist, you may find something that the barrel finds a nice harmonic with, won't shoot as well at 500 yards but for less than 200 yards you won't notice much difference unless it's windy.

 

[Cee-8]

Have to disagree with you .... not on the moot point issue but on the keltec matter.

The early model KSG's were also garbage. Best friend is a Keltec fiend and has bought everything they ever made. I have had many opportunities to shoot his collection. Loves his RFB for hunting but had a hell of a time with his KSG and dumped it. So out of the four rifles/shotguns I have had an opportunity to shoot/own, three of the four were crap. Glad your experience was a positive one.

They are very innovative to throw them a bone.

That's whats nice about these threads, we can all agree to disagree.

In the immortal words of the Yankee Marshal Keltec's are garbage! "Cobbled together from old typewriter parts by a drunk chimpanzee with a glue gun".

Watch his youtube videos and have a laugh. 1. Keltec's are junk and the second one called Keltec's still suck and you will have my feelings on the matter.

Just re-watched them again. He's a hoot...not a moot.

 

[rimlick]

I think people have way too high of expectations.. some people spend near a grand on their AR-15 barrels. And people want a whole rifle for $1000.

Ehhhh...

 

[Hrsplit]

I shot around 300 rounds out of mine and haven’t had any issues besides the trigger pin walking out . I did notice that the rails the bolt slide in did get chewed a touch but I haven’t inspected in since

 

[Cee-8]

I think people have way too high of expectations.. some people spend near a grand on their AR-15 barrels. And people want a whole rifle for $1000.

Ehhhh...

Ya I guess for a mere $1,000, it is expecting a lot for a gun to go bang when you pull the trigger. What was I thinking...lol.

 

[Cee-8]

I shot around 300 rounds out of mine and haven’t had any issues besides the trigger pin walking out . I did notice that the rails the bolt slide in did get chewed a touch but I haven’t inspected in since

My rails are still polished and I haven't noticed any wear and tear on them whatsoever. You may want to keep those rails heavily lubricated during the break-in period.

 

[cr5]

Have to disagree with you .... not on the moot point issue but on the keltec matter.

The early model KSG's were also garbage. Best friend is a Keltec fiend and has bought everything they ever made. I have had many opportunities to shoot his collection. Loves his RFB for hunting but had a hell of a time with his KSG and dumped it. So out of the four rifles/shotguns I have had an opportunity to shoot/own, three of the four were crap. Glad your experience was a positive one.

They are very innovative to throw them a bone.

That's whats nice about these threads, we can all agree to disagree.

In the immortal words of the Yankee Marshal Keltec's are garbage! "Cobbled together from old typewriter parts by a drunk chimpanzee with a glue gun".

Watch his youtube videos and have a laugh. 1. Keltec's are junk and the second one called Keltec's still suck and you will have my feelings on the matter.

Just re-watched them again. He's a hoot...not a moot.

Well if your friend had bothered to contact Vault for warranty he would have found out that they would upgrade his KSG to gen 2 spec for free if he had sent it in.
A buddy of mine had the same issues with his gen 1, called and they took care of it and he was happy with what he got back.
My gen 2 was flawless in function.

You can badmouth them all you want, it doesn't hurt my feelings. I just want you to know there is a difference between their entry level cheap crap and their good stuff that costs more for a reason. If all you have yo compare is a Sub2000 and a gen 1 KSG that could have been fixed for free on warranty it's not really fair to say all KSG suck.
And even though I agree the Sub2000 feels like a childs toy, once mine had 500 rounds through it the issues went away and it was actually a decent little toy that worked as advertised.

 

[cr5]

Ya I guess for a mere $1,000, it is expecting a lot for a gun to go bang when you pull the trigger. What was I thinking...lol.

You're right, if they can't make it function reliably for their retail price they either need to raise the price to cover improving the product to make it reliable and hope they keep selling at the new price or not make them at all.
I don't think this rifle is anywhere near that point, seems like the majority are quite happy with their purchase.

 

[Travis Bickle]

I think people have way too high of expectations.. some people spend near a grand on their AR-15 barrels. And people want a whole rifle for $1000.

Ehhhh...

You're right!
My 1k Type 81 does exactly that all day long now!.....

So a manufacturer gets a hall pass for making a defective problem plagued product because it only costs $1000?

What kind of logic is that? Noone expected it to be the best rifle ever made.
I would have been happy if it just fed ammo and went bang every time...

 

[Cee-8]

Well if your friend had bothered to contact Vault for warranty he would have found out that they would upgrade his KSG to gen 2 spec for free if he had sent it in.
A buddy of mine had the same issues with his gen 1, called and they took care of it and he was happy with what he got back.
My gen 2 was flawless in function.

You can badmouth them all you want, it doesn't hurt my feelings. I just want you to know there is a difference between their entry level cheap crap and their good stuff that costs more for a reason. If all you have yo compare is a Sub2000 and a gen 1 KSG that could have been fixed for free on warranty it's not really fair to say all KSG suck.
And even though I agree the Sub2000 feels like a childs toy, once mine had 500 rounds through it the issues went away and it was actually a decent little toy that worked as advertised.

Watch the Yankee Marshal videos just for a laugh.

Well at the time he was having problems with his KSG a gen 2 did not exist. So that wasn't an option. He has a gen 2 sub 2000 that has never given him an ounce of trouble and he swears by them. He's still a die-hard keltec guy.

I can only go on what I have experienced with the platform, so I'm not a fan. The Yankee Marshall is pretty hard on them, but his commentary is pretty entertaining.

Would you consider the Su-16 to be top tier or a value gun as well? No personal experience here with that one, but there's a lot on the net about the plastic receivers breaking. Isn't that the point about keltec, there a cheaper option that is kind of innovative. Sort of gun you use to get yourself home during a "zombie apocalypse" lol (I really hate that term), so you can get to the gun you can rely on.

I'm no collector of firearms by any means. To old to have all that neat stuff laying around now gathering dust. If I own it I shoot it. A 22, pump shotgun, bolt gun, 762x39 and a reliable 556 (WK180C) is all I need. No restricted stuff for me anymore.

What do you think of the new RDB? I was tempted because the price was right and the innovation was interesting. It's just that the disassembly looks like a nightmare. Not a lot of thought went into the engineering for maintenance. RFB is pretty sweet, I must admit.

Anyway, we could argue this till the cows come home. Bottom line for me, from personal experience, is that I have no confidence that the keltec products will last. "Cobbled together from old typewriter parts and assembled by a drunken chimpanzee with a glue gun", maybe not but the imagery is entertaining. If you don't shoot them that much, they will be great.

Chevy or Ford? Domestic or Japanese? Whatever makes you happy at the end of the day.

RDB or WK180C? I banking on the WK to be the better platform that will last. It has a good lineage from the AR180 and uses time tested AR15 parts. It's $500 less expensive too! Time will tell.

I guess we can agree to disagree on Keltecs.

 

[Cee-8]

Just got back from the range. The WK180 did not let me down. Another couple hundred rounds through it without a single hiccup.

I made the right choice selling the restricted AR15 and picking up this one. It's a winner. I think they have the bugs worked out of them now.

Buy with confidence.

 

[cr5]

Watch the Yankee Marshal videos just for a laugh.

Well at the time he was having problems with his KSG a gen 2 did not exist. So that wasn't an option. He has a gen 2 sub 2000 that has never given him an ounce of trouble and he swears by them. He's still a die-hard keltec guy.

I can only go on what I have experienced with the platform, so I'm not a fan. The Yankee Marshall is pretty hard on them, but his commentary is pretty entertaining.

Would you consider the Su-16 to be top tier or a value gun as well? No personal experience here with that one, but there's a lot on the net about the plastic receivers breaking. Isn't that the point about keltec, there a cheaper option that is kind of innovative. Sort of gun you use to get yourself home during a "zombie apocalypse" lol (I really hate that term), so you can get to the gun you can rely on.

I'm no collector of firearms by any means. To old to have all that neat stuff laying around now gathering dust. If I own it I shoot it. A 22, pump shotgun, bolt gun, 762x39 and a reliable 556 (WK180C) is all I need. No restricted stuff for me anymore.

What do you think of the new RDB? I was tempted because the price was right and the innovation was interesting. It's just that the disassembly looks like a nightmare. Not a lot of thought went into the engineering for maintenance. RFB is pretty sweet, I must admit.

Anyway, we could argue this till the cows come home. Bottom line for me, from personal experience, is that I have no confidence that the keltec products will last. "Cobbled together from old typewriter parts and assembled by a drunken chimpanzee with a glue gun", maybe not but the imagery is entertaining. If you don't shoot them that much, they will be great.

Chevy or Ford? Domestic or Japanese? Whatever makes you happy at the end of the day.

RDB or WK180C? I banking on the WK to be the better platform that will last. It has a good lineage from the AR180 and uses time tested AR15 parts. It's $500 less expensive too! Time will tell.

I guess we can agree to disagree on Keltecs.

I want them all, lol

I've shot three SU-16, two of the original folders, both were reliable, both were not accurate. Not what I would consider quality and not a rifle I'd grab for zombie control. The third was the FX model or whatever that tacticool one is that looks like an AR, it wasn't bad and shot pretty decent. Felt a lot different in a good way.

Glad your WK is working well, I'm tempted but think I'm grabbing an FX-9 and ordering an ATRS MS receiver set first.

 

[Canada tail]

Rdb is garbage,we all know that. but that s no excuse for so many issues that the wk180 could have avoided since the get go.