Would it be a mistake to buy a Heckler & Koch SL8 .???

[cr5]

Yeah like the SL8 is not a Fisher Price. Have you ever held a SL8. I have its, far over rated, cheap and plasticy as well. Does it warrant the 2k price tag.. #### no.

I suppose you would prefer a 12 pound rifle made of steel for $800? What you think a rifle is worth means nothing since they keep selling at the price they are asking, obviously a lot of the firearms community doesn't agree with you. Sure I'd like it if they were less expensive but for the performance you get compared to more expensive options available I don't think it's an unreasonable price.
HK knows what they are doing when it comes to blending polymers and metal to create a reliable rifle that doesn't weigh more than it needs to. Sure we'd all prefer to carry an AR with us hunting but until our government pulls it's head out of it's rear end we're stuck with our non restricted options that unfortunately are usually heavy due to the long and heavy contour non restricted barrels.

Not sure what non restricted rifle you've ever held that didn't have "plastic" used in it's construction but it isn't a negative in my mind, it helps keep costs and weight down (even if we do get a little raped here with the non restricted tax).

Another option to consider for a non restricted semi auto hunting rifle is an AR180B-2. I love mine and while it's not as accurate as my ACR it does pretty well and is very light.

 

[Zeroed-In]

Then you want an SL-8 if these are the only 4 rifles you are considering. The XCR-l, Tavor and Mini 14 rifles will all be horribly dissapointing to you if you ecpect any sort of target accuracy.

^x2... the HK SL8 rifles are well known for having very good factory accuracy as compared to other semi.-auto. .223 black rifles (and especially good as compared to the other #3 choices you've stated; I would not recommend the XCR-L or Ruger Mini-14 at all if decent accuracy is to be a factor). The HK SL8's are still somewhat reasonable ($2,270 from one site sponsor) when considering Canada's NR status of black rifles and their values (H&K is held in high regard in the firearms community which should allow for a positive experience should you decide to sell at a later date).

Just try to handle and shoot one before you buy, and compare to other options, rather than buying sight unseen.
I'd opt for a Tavor, ACR or Swiss Arms if going for a non-low budget semi NR .223, though.

As others have stated the ACR is probably the only other NR .223 semi. black rifle that will allow you to achieve similar accuracy, although you may also want to consider the ATRS Modern Varminter due to arrive later this year (it may take a little longer to actually find a new one though) and a Swiss Arms. However the ACR like the ATRS MV and SA's rifles will cost a couple dollars more (possibly a couple thousand more) which just might make the HK SL8 a bargain in comparison (Wow, did I just use HK and bargain in the same sentence).

Ultimately the HK SL8 fits me comfortably in stock form and is a rifle I'd considered buying (probably one of the better values in NR Black rifles when quality/accuracy are considered along with price), but by no means would I suggest anyone buy a firearm w/o having handled one first, especially a HK SL8...

Cheers D

 

[Canada tail]

It s really up to you but I think hk 243 is near ...

 

[Brian46]

I could possibly be persuaded to part wit a G36 trigger group/stock if someone did not like the factory stock.

Until the 243 actually arrives it is useless to speculate, the RCMP could take years to decide

 

[Happypillz]

I suppose you would prefer a 12 pound rifle made of steel for $800? What you think a rifle is worth means nothing since they keep selling at the price they are asking, obviously a lot of the firearms community doesn't agree with you. Sure I'd like it if they were less expensive but for the performance you get compared to more expensive options available I don't think it's an unreasonable price.
HK knows what they are doing when it comes to blending polymers and metal to create a reliable rifle that doesn't weigh more than it needs to. Sure we'd all prefer to carry an AR with us hunting but until our government pulls it's head out of it's rear end we're stuck with our non restricted options that unfortunately are usually heavy due to the long and heavy contour non restricted barrels.

Not sure what non restricted rifle you've ever held that didn't have "plastic" used in it's construction but it isn't a negative in my mind, it helps keep costs and weight down (even if we do get a little raped here with the non restricted tax).

Another option to consider for a non restricted semi auto hunting rifle is an AR180B-2. I love mine and while it's not as accurate as my ACR it does pretty well and is very light.

I didn't say they are not good rifles.. They are good rifles just not one that warrant that price tag.

As the op mentioned its gone be on an atv. Knowing how hard it is to find parts and service. The fact if you want a stanag mag compatibility and the cost of it just doesn't justify the rifle at all. I rather just get a cheaper rifle.

Not sure where you get the idea of 800 metal rifle. No idea what you even mean by that.

 

[Zeroed-In]

I didn't say they are not good rifles.. They are good rifles just not one that warrant that price tag.

As the op mentioned its gone be on an atv. Knowing how hard it is to find parts and service. The fact if you want a stanag mag compatibility and the cost of it just doesn't justify the rifle at all. I rather just get a cheaper rifle.

I'd be curious to hear what cheaper rifle you recommend that is a NR semi.-auto. .223 Black Rifle (no bolt actions thank you) that's really very accurate (like 1 MOA from the factory accurate); because the only cheaper rifle that comes close is the AR-180B-2 (although it's not as accurate as the SL8) that CR5 did already mention, other then the more expensive models like the ACR... (at least from my knowledge, unless I'm missing something available to the Canadian market I've yet to hear about?).

Also regarding the ATV usage I'd doubt that it would have any appreciable wear/tear on the reliability or accuracy of a rifle with the quality of the HK SL8 (provided it's secured properly every time it's used)...

Cheers D

 

[enefgee]

Its a dud alright. I have 3 different mags from 3 different companies and all of them wont feed more then 3 rounds without jamming up on the feed ramp or most of the time the bolt just fails to strip any rounds from the magazines as it looks like they are all sitting to low.

After the first fix. The rifle now stovepipes on occasion and the front guard intermittently pops of after a few rounds unless you shim the barrel band. Also the fix did nothing to fix the fail to strip any bullets from the mag well.

I do believe the mag well is cut wrong preventing the mags from sitting high enough. Im trying to convince North Sylva of that but they probaly think different. I will never buy a Auto Ordnance firearm again.

I like the bloody carbine and the .30 carbine round is awesome but this rifle is gone once I get it working right.

Sorry for the thread highjack.

You could have had a rebarrelled GI for that much.

 

[Donster 125]

I would personally wait for the Hk243. But if you don't want to wait, get the SL8.

 

[cr5]

I didn't say they are not good rifles.. They are good rifles just not one that warrant that price tag.

As the op mentioned its gone be on an atv. Knowing how hard it is to find parts and service. The fact if you want a stanag mag compatibility and the cost of it just doesn't justify the rifle at all. I rather just get a cheaper rifle.

Not sure where you get the idea of 800 metal rifle. No idea what you even mean by that.

You said it feels plasticy and cheap is where i got that from. So what rifles available now feel like they're better made than an HK for less money?
What in your mind justifies a $2000 price tag for a non restricted semi auto? I have a hard time thinking you would be happy with any rifle available to us. You don't need to be able to justify the price, the fact is that most people accept that the price is what it is and if you want one you pay it or go without.

 

[Ebola]

You could have had a rebarrelled GI for that much.

Dont I know it now.

 

[Happypillz]

You said it feels plasticy and cheap is where i got that from. So what rifles available now feel like they're better made than an HK for less money?
What in your mind justifies a $2000 price tag for a non restricted semi auto? I have a hard time thinking you would be happy with any rifle available to us. You don't need to be able to justify the price, the fact is that most people accept that the price is what it is and if you want one you pay it or go without.

Su16 will do the job. Its under a 1K.

 

[Happypillz]

I'd be curious to hear what cheaper rifle you recommend that is a NR semi.-auto. .223 Black Rifle (no bolt actions thank you) that's really very accurate (like 1 MOA from the factory accurate); because the only cheaper rifle that comes close is the AR-180B-2 (although it's not as accurate as the SL8) that CR5 did already mention, other then the more expensive models like the ACR... (at least from my knowledge, unless I'm missing something available to the Canadian market I've yet to hear about?).

Also regarding the ATV usage I'd doubt that it would have any appreciable wear/tear on the reliability or accuracy of a rifle with the quality of the HK SL8 (provided it's secured properly every time it's used)...

Cheers D

Keltec SU16 will do just fine its a NR 223 semi. Under 1K. Heck my was 700 bucks. Yeah its a Keltec and it not the oooh ahhhh HK.. Hell I can buy two of them for the price of a SL8.

I got plenty of expensive guns but they are all Restricted. I do tend to baby them. Anything that goes into the bush is another story.

 

[Brian46]

su16 is accurate like an SL8 now? I can say as tested by me it was not and it went in the garbage when the plastic receiver decided to crack the gun in half

 

[cr5]

Su16 will do the job. Its under a 1K.

LMFAO, a buddy of mine had one and we took it to the range. We tried a few different types of ammo and none would produce groups less than 4-5moa, that was shooting off of sandbags.
Another buddy of mine was out at my place with his a couple weeks ago and while we had fun shooting it and it was reliable for the 60 or so rounds we put through it there were no impressive groups made with it.
The OP wants an accurate semi auto to hunt with not a toy to make noise with.
I don't think there is anything wrong with an SU16 as long as you buy it understanding that it is not built for precision and you just have fun with it accepting it's limitations. It however does not even come close to being comparable to an HK in quality or accuracy.

 

[Happypillz]

su16 is accurate like an SL8 now? I can say as tested by me it was not and it went in the garbage when the plastic receiver decided to crack the gun in half

Where did I say its as accurate as a SL8.. I didn't.

 

[Canadian_Zuk]

Where did I say its as accurate as a SL8.. I didn't.

The OP is the one who said he wanted an accurate semi auto 223 for punching paper and hunting. You said "Su16 will do the job. Its under a 1K". It won't do the job, it's an $800 peice of crap that gets 5 MOA at best.

 

[Brian46]

Where did I say its as accurate as a SL8.. I didn't.

Then what job are you saying it can do if accuracy is not on par with the SL8 (the rifle the op is asking about)

 

[warrenlikesboats]

Are shooters getting really good accuracy out of these ACR's with simple Dlask, Herron and ArmsEast barrels ? or do people really have to invest in the more premium barrels to get these MOA results?

 

[Brian46]

Are shooters getting really good accuracy out of these ACR's with simple Dlask, Herron and ArmsEast barrels ? or do people really have to invest in the more premium barrels to get these MOA results?

My 450 conversion done by herron is MOA and under with factory premium ammo

I am surprised at how accurate the ACR is with a Herron 7.62x39 conversion and dominion hollow points is as well

Can't wait for the Rem 30AR

 

[kb007]

HK SL-8 is a great gun, I really like mine. I've used it off a bench with MOA results using hand loads. I've also used it slung for CQB type stuff and, yeah it's heavy, but if you can't carry a 10 lb rifle around for a while you need to eat more wheaties!

I added the Spuhr magwell and use it with any of the stanag mags I have and they run flawlessly.