Would you buy a rifle that is on the looming C21 amendment list?

Jmcc said:
99% of people that chose to get cash will get less than fair market value.
You can debate this with the Gov, you can write your MP, you can take them to court. You can jump up and down in the street.

**YOU WILL NOT BE COMPENCATED FAIRLY**

you have 4 choices
1) Deactivate as outlined in regs
2) Accept pennies on the dollar
3) Don't comply (and accept risks that come with that)
4) Challenge them on their compensation and likely go to jail if you refuse what they offer (pennies on the dollar)

There is no mediation or negotiation. This isn't Pawnstars.

"The best I can do is... send you to jail..."
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I fully disagree but specifically when it comes to the current NR guns and amendment added. The compensation arrangement will be fought in court and amnesty will be extended until the court case is settled. In actual terms for most of the amendment added guns, they DO NOT know if I or anyone have a gun on the list or not so until there is fair compensation why would we voluntarily surrender? Either way we do not get to use it so to me there is no loss to simply wait it out until there is a fair price or change in legislation.

In fact how would the average guy who does not closely follow the news and legislative battles even know he has a newly prohibited gun. The government has this dream that as soon as they pass the leg that EVERY gun owner will scan the list of 2000+ guns, go look at what they have and make arrangements to surrender for whatever they are offering.

If we all wait, the government will see how weak the program is and will have to increase compensation rates to sweeten the pot on the form NRs.
 
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Gindryden said:
I fully disagree. The compensation arrangement will be fought in court and amnesty will be extended until the court case is settled. In actual terms for most of the amendment added guns, they DO NOT know if I or anyone have a gun on the list or not so until there is fair compensation why would we voluntarily surrender? Either way we do not get to use it so to me there is no loss to simply wait it out until there is a fair price or change in legislation.

If we all wait, the government will see how weak the program is and will have to increase compensation rates to sweeten the pot on the form NRs.
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that is #3 on my list. Don't comply.

i agree that the date will keep getting kicked down the road as that cost the gov nothing and continues to give a nice political wedge issue.
but when they eventually send you a letter and say "Come to this location at this time" you will not get anything near fair market value and you wont be able to challenge it Please see NZ for details.
 
Jmcc said:
that is #3 on my list. Don't comply.

i agree that the date will keep getting kicked down the road as that cost the gov nothing and continues to give a nice political wedge issue.
but when they eventually send you a letter and say "Come to this location at this time" you will not get anything near fair market value and you wont be able to challenge it Please see NZ for details.
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How would they know to send me a letter if the gun is currently an NR? Even if they went back through the hand written store records (which they are extremely likely to not do as they know they are not truly legal documents) what is to prove I did not get rid of that gun years ago, or the clerk mis printed a sku. Like I said there is NOLOSS to you in that case to simply sit on the gun. Either way you do not get to legally use it, but time may be on your side to get it removed from the list or offered fair $
 
Gindryden said:
How would they know to send me a letter if the gun is currently an NR? Even if they went back through the hand written store records (which they are extremely likely to not do as they know they are not truly legal documents) what is to prove I did not get rid of that gun years ago, or the clerk mis printed a sku. Like I said there is NOLOSS to you in that case to simply sit on the gun. Either way you do not get to legally use it, but time may be on your side to get it removed from the list or offered fair $
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They sent me a letter about AR-15's and I've never owned one.

for NRs they don't know what people do or don't have, but they will send a blanket notice to all PAL holders eventually
They will tell you that if you don't turn everything in on the list you are breaking the law. (the chances of you getting caught are slim, but you are still breaking the law)

Im not debating the above with you. I think we are both in agreement.

the single thing im saying is that they will TELL you what $$ they will give you (and you wont like it)
you will say "no, that's not fair!" and they will say "now that you let us know you have guns on the list you NEED to give them to us for the money we said or you WILL go to jail"

and you won't have a choice.
 
Gindryden said:
I fully disagree but specifically when it comes to the current NR guns and amendment added. The compensation arrangement will be fought in court and amnesty will be extended until the court case is settled. In actual terms for most of the amendment added guns, they DO NOT know if I or anyone have a gun on the list or not so until there is fair compensation why would we voluntarily surrender? Either way we do not get to use it so to me there is no loss to simply wait it out until there is a fair price or change in legislation.

In fact how would the average guy who does not closely follow the news and legislative battles even know he has a newly prohibited gun. The government has this dream that as soon as they pass the leg that EVERY gun owner will scan the list of 2000+ guns, go look at what they have and make arrangements to surrender for whatever they are offering.

If we all wait, the government will see how weak the program is and will have to increase compensation rates to sweeten the pot on the form NRs.
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From the government POV they dont care, ignorance of the law is no defence. If you are caught with one of the rifles on the list you will almost certainly be charged unless the cop turns a blind eye. "I didnt know" (even if genuine) wont cut it.

Regarding the government increasing compensation rates if the compliance is low - not a chance.

They will offer whatever dollar value and give X amount of time to comply. If you dont comply they dont care. Technically it gets the issue wrapped up at a lower cost thus making the optics for the government better. After the amnesty date has passed for handing the guns in you have to hide them forever and if you are caught using them then you will be charged. Government will say "Tough - we offered a buyback and you didnt comply - you will have ample time to reflect in Jail".

There is no way the compensation will increase if compliance is low. It will follow the route I just outlined.
 
Jmcc said:
They sent me a letter about AR-15's and I've never owned one.

for NRs they don't know what people do or don't have, but they will send a blanket notice to all PAL holders eventually
They will tell you that if you don't turn everything in on the list you are breaking the law. (the chances of you getting caught are slim, but you are still breaking the law)

Im not debating the above with you. I think we are both in agreement.

the single thing im saying is that they will TELL you what $$ they will give you (and you wont like it)
you will say "no, that's not fair!" and they will say "now that you let us know you have guns on the list you NEED to give them to us for the money we said or you WILL go to jail"

and you won't have a choice.
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Sniffer said:
From the government POV they dont care, ignorance of the law is no defence. If you are caught with one of the rifles on the list you will almost certainly be charged unless the cop turns a blind eye. "I didnt know" (even if genuine) wont cut it.

Regarding the government increasing compensation rates if the compliance is low - not a chance.

They will offer whatever dollar value and give X amount of time to comply. If you dont comply they dont care. Technically it gets the issue wrapped up at a lower cost thus making the optics for the government better. After the amnesty date has passed for handing the guns in you have to hide them forever and if you are caught using them then you will be charged. Government will say "Tough - we offered a buyback and you didnt comply - you will have ample time to reflect in Jail".

There is no way the compensation will increase if compliance is low. It will follow the route I just outlined.
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Both good arguments on the increase in pay, but to me i think I have time on my side. It will be a while before anyone is sending out blanket letters and the response from most of the gun community will be a mixed bag ranging from either surrender or meh. It is far more likely that non compliance will result in total bans and total firearms prohibition based on the non response.

I actually do not have to worry about any of it right now as i do not have anything on the list that is owned by me. I think if I did have one from the new list, I can wait it out and in fact i am in remote enough area could continue to use it without too much worry. At my age I figure i will be able to get through without the full prohibition but I would bet that within 20 years there will not be a legal firearm owned by the average guy/gal in Canada

This thread is all sorts of hypothetical thinking and i have probably said enough so will unsubscribe from it. Nice chatting All
 
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alberta tactical rifle said:
It is a very sad day when you have to live in fear of what your government may do. This is NOT living free!!
It seems there are 2 kinds of gun owners. Those that will always abide by whatever rule an evil regime imposes and there are those that live with the "what gun?" plan.
Trust me there is FAR more going on with this regime than just guns. Guns is just stage 1 of their agenda.
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Yes Digital money. I watched some moron on Youtube try to say it's a great thing . and that the Canadian Government is going to come up with their own . don't do as your told and no bread or milk . and to have someone be able to keep track of everything you buy ? creepy . a friend in Spain said that's the way it's going in Europe .buddy said no bank robberies no one stealing your money etc. get the hell out of here . leave us alone.
 
trimmer 905 said:
everyone is assuming the liberals will cut you a cheque on the spot for the guns turned in. You're dreaming in technicolor if you think they'll cough up retail value. The easiest way to pay compensation is to issue a non-refundable tax credit.
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^^^^^this ^^^^^


You won't see a dime of real money.
 
LVLCOL said:
Hi everyone,

I am thinking of buying a Kodiak WK180C gen 2 rifle that is on the looming C21 amendment list with the hope that the amendment doesn't pass as was drafted.

Is it foolish to spend the money on this rifle that may not even have a chance to be used before the change is put into effect and is rendered useless? What are the chances that a revised version of the amendment list doesn't contain the WK180C?
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One of the guys at our club has one of those. I am not sjure he has yet to go through a round of targets without the damn thing jamming. You might want to check the gun out before you buy one. His maybe a sample of one but...

Otherwise, I doubt you have much to worry about C21. The longer it sits in the Senate the less chance it will ever get out of the Senate.

Take Care

Bob
 
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Alcohol was banned a while back but widespread non-compliance resulted in elimination of those laws.

The federal government said alcohol was too dangerous for anyone to consume so it was prohibited - sound familiar?

Back in the days of “Prohibition”, alcohol was forced into an underground world of non-compliance.

In many ways I believe the ever increasing list of banned firearms will go the way of “Prohibition”.

Buy what you want and enjoy it while you can.

The more potentially banned firearms people buy and own now make it much more likely the federal government will not be able to afford their ill-conceived plans.
 
Raton57 said:
I live by the adage tick off a Liberal buy something they don't think you should have. Or do something they don't like.
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Yup
And then the wife comes along... What were you thinking?
- It's entertainment $

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The only reasonable answer is peaceful non-compliance. As others have said: it worked for weed/alcohol in the past.

I won't knock people for their personal choices, as it is also largely situational for them.

But here are my stats:

Age: Late 30's
Value of stuff on the naughty list: Almost $7k, and that was over 17 years of ownership.
Access to remote crown land: About an hour away.

I'm not turning in a thing, I'm not "investing in PVC pipes", that's lame. I'm investing in spare parts. I am going to live my life regardless of what Trudeau and urban dwellers approve/disapprove of.
 
I just got my license in late November so unfortunately missed the handgun ban. I am treating the C21 list as a wish list and will base my purchases on what is least likely to available in the future. They have effed this up so badly that it will be years if ever before they come collecting, and hopefully they will all be looking for new work or living off their trust funds before then. If it actually comes to that they can come out to my garage and watch me deactivate it.
 
The rumours that the May 1 2020 OIC was coming prompted everyone to snag up all the AR15's, lowers, uppers, parts kits etc. Couldn't find anything anywhere. The announcement of the handgun freeze prompted everyone to go out and buy a handgun, significantly impacting available stock, retailers were selling as fast as they were trickling in, and causing record transfer wait times.

I dont think scary bans are deterring too many people from buying what they want. If anthinf, it increased "just because" purchases.
 
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