Type 81 - Info, Pics, How & When to Order, etc. * POLL ADDED! * pls vote :)
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If AK mag version is made I am in!! I have bunch of them and a Drum. Why on earth would you not make it to take the AK mag it a bit baffling. Excited and disappointed!!
Again is there an option to put this back to the manufacturers. No more proprietary mags! The world is full of AK mags!! Let's use them.
Again is there an option to put this back to the manufacturers. No more proprietary mags! The world is full of AK mags!! Let's use them.
Czech vz58 pricing is in the $1300-1400 range now at many vendors, just a few:
http://frontierfirearms.ca/csa-vz-58-m4-7-62x39mm-non-restricted-chrome-lined-barrel-tele-stock.html
http://www.theammosource.com/index....24_264&zenid=f62ed3ea3e60824c1df69555d7449112
$999 for the Type 81 is somewhat lower.
We don't know if AK mags fit or not. The one they had did not fit, but that does not mean others won't.
It's a Chinese designed proprietary gun, why should AK mags fit? That's like being disappointed that AK mags don't fit the VZ-58. (It would be nice if they fit, but don't discount the entire platform because a luxury is not met.)
Also, it is much harder to find AK mags in Canada than most people think.
It's a Chinese designed proprietary gun, why should AK mags fit? That's like being disappointed that AK mags don't fit the VZ-58. (It would be nice if they fit, but don't discount the entire platform because a luxury is not met.)
Also, it is much harder to find AK mags in Canada than most people think.
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Because it was designed to take a mag that actually works the bolt hold open function that the ak and AKs mags don't do.
Any other gun with no bolt hold open and people would be screaming how much the gun needs a bolt hold open and how if it didn't have a bolt hold open then the design would be a fail.
Now we have a gun with a bolt hold open and people are freaking out that they can't use mags that will neuter this function.
Not all ak mags work in all AKs. It isn't like ar mag interchangability. Wait until it gets here and people can try a variety of ak mags.
The Chinese "copied" the Yugo M70 BHO feature on the Type 81. The mag shell is exactly the same as an AK, the only difference is being the follower which has a lip to hold back the bolt.
If they didn't muddle around with the original Yugo design, then even Yugo BHO mags should work, which essentially means some AK mags as well.
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The Chinese "copied" the Yugo M70 BHO feature on the Type 81. The mag shell is exactly the same as an AK, the only difference is being the follower which has a lip to hold back the bolt.
If they didn't muddle around with the original Yugo design, then even Yugo BHO mags should work, which essentially means some AK mags as well.
Exactly. The type 81 has a different follower for the mag to function the hold open. The mag bodies are really close.
They Chinese copied many elements from several guns for the T81, and yes the M70 feature certainly was one.
The mags may be similar, but the inside of the rifle where the latch is, appears to be slightly different.
There is no reason AK mags should fit, different gun, different system. That being said, maybe they do fit. We need to try different mags.
Different gun, but not different system entirely.
The whole point of the Type-81 was to modernize and improve on the Type 56. The Chinese took the best elements from the Type 56, the SKS, Dragunov, RPK and the M70. I'm not certain of their actual design philosophy, but to think a million man strong army would have proprietary mags for a new weapons platform is entirely ridiculous. I'm sure it's just a simple follower swap to convert T56 mags into T81 ones. It doesn't make any sense why they would make a different mag for a rifle of the same system.
True. I wonder what mag they were using to test it. It was a steel 5/30, but country of origin is uncertain.
Agree 100%. It just makes no sense to me either! If all the dementions are the same it appears it is just a bolt hold open. I also thought I saw a picture of a t81 with a Chinese 75 round drum in it. Hopefully it is that easy and I could certainly live without a bolt hold open feature. Hopefully someone will get a production model soon and let us know.
Very interested but mags for me might be a deal breaker.
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Have you shot a type 81 and experienced ftf with ak mags???
So upon closer inspection, it looks like Norinco handicapped the rifle so that it won't take AK mags without serious modification and a new follower. This was probably done to make sure they satisfied the RCMP into thinking that nothing from an AK would fit onto the rifle, which makes sense. Look below.
The receiver looks like it has a tab to catch the follower of the magazine, but not in the area where the Yugo mags do it (By the tip), instead they've created a mag catch along the upper spine of the magazine. Bastards.
Looks like a simple grinding down of the magazine catch on the gun, so that pretty much all AK mags can fit. The BHO feature may work using the original mags as well.
EDIT: All of the T81's have this, even the military models from the 80's. Looks like the Chinese were crafty on this and did indeed make proprietary mags for the most part.
The receiver looks like it has a tab to catch the follower of the magazine, but not in the area where the Yugo mags do it (By the tip), instead they've created a mag catch along the upper spine of the magazine. Bastards.
Looks like a simple grinding down of the magazine catch on the gun, so that pretty much all AK mags can fit. The BHO feature may work using the original mags as well.
EDIT: All of the T81's have this, even the military models from the 80's. Looks like the Chinese were crafty on this and did indeed make proprietary mags for the most part.
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Let's let them get here first and figure it out. Mag usage has nothing to do with classification, just like a gun using AR mags won't affect whether a gun is an AR variant or not.
It's a propietary gun designed to use its own mags. Some AK mags will work, others not. Just like one countries ak mags may or may not work in another counties ak design.
It's a propietary gun designed to use its own mags. Some AK mags will work, others not. Just like one countries ak mags may or may not work in another counties ak design.
