Can we set the record straight for Swiss Arms? CSC & TSE True of False?

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What’s “illegal”?
It is a declaration based on a whim of fancy from the current ruling political party at the federal level.

Bans, “prohibited”, “restricted”, “non-restricted”; the nomenclature is just fluff to make it sound like action is taken in the name of ‘public safety’.

It’s time to set aside the petty B/S and work together as a unified group.
 
beltfed said:
What’s “illegal”?
It is a declaration based on a whim of fancy from the current ruling political party at the federal level.

Bans, “prohibited”, “restricted”, “non-restricted”; the nomenclature is just fluff to make it sound like action is taken in the name of ‘public safety’.

It’s time to set aside the petty B/S and work together as a unified group.
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Careful - that sounds too reasonable. The pitchforks haven't been put away just yet.
 
Handed the S.A. on a platter.

RCMP going exactly were they wanted to go.

The Leopard still has it's spots. Watch out everyone there's a bus....to late. Here comes another one. What would I consider the end of this? Buy everyone's, soon to be safe queens, $4000 x 1000-2000 units. That would be just about square.....even. Money wise.

Justifying(RCMP were looking at S.A.), rationizations(I've paid a heavy price, it was 8-9 years ago), blaming your competitor( he parked a van with a banner on it)

About the only thing without a odor is the smell of a liberal bill prohibiting millions of dollars of private property. Gotta love that straight off the presses smell.
 
I would like to know the crime stats of shootings and murders where the criminal used ARs or AKs or the other banned / restricted full semi automatic assault rifles that cause PTSD when you shoot one. I don't hear about some big shootout where criminals opened fire full auto AKs on RCMP. Or are they just using the USA as an example and seeing how all gun owners are Americans even in Canada just throwing out #### to see what they can get to stick.
 
I am going to say something very unpopular. JR actually had the balls to show up in this thread and admit/apologize for his wrongs, and fixed the domain redirect. Admitting wrongs and asking forgiveness is a tough thing to do (I know, I can be a prideful, stubborn man). Why not move on, support both stores, and focus energy on fighting the real enemy here - the government overreach of bill C-71.
 
Tortex said:
I am going to say something very unpopular. JR actually had the balls to show up in this thread and admit/apologize for his wrongs, and fixed the domain redirect. Admitting wrongs and asking forgiveness is a tough thing to do (I know, I can be a prideful, stubborn man). Why not move on, support both stores, and focus energy on fighting the real enemy here - the government overreach of bill C-71.
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Because it's crocodile tears. His own rifles appeared different than a competitors. His own rifles in the end were the ones the RCMP had an issue with.

He was the initial importer for these rifles and got them past the rcmp to a NR FRT without any sort of physical inspection. This fact alone eludes to the fact he knew the rifles true lineage but hid it, he just forgot (was blinded) when he figured he was going to get one over on his competition via the rcmp
 
J_Bird said:
*mic drop*

Side note...I will be posting a Swiss Arms Classic Green for sale soon that doesn't have the hand of saruman (TSE) logo branded into it!!! :p
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Hand of Saruman. LOL!!! For all the seriousness of this thread, that had me howling.
 
Tortex said:
I am going to say something very unpopular. JR actually had the balls to show up in this thread and admit/apologize for his wrongs, and fixed the domain redirect. Admitting wrongs and asking forgiveness is a tough thing to do (I know, I can be a prideful, stubborn man). Why not move on, support both stores, and focus energy on fighting the real enemy here - the government overreach of bill C-71.
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I agree with you. Going to say something that people really do not want to hear. Was in Calgary last week and went into TSE. Had no knowledge of any of this. Long time shooter new to CGN. The staff at TSE were great and my son and I had a great time with their rental guns. He pretty much wanted to shoot each one. The staff answered all his questions and had patience. Even after hearing all this I asked myself if I would go back and the the answer is still yes. I know I do not have a shelf queen due to this so have no real skin in the game.
Just my two cents for what it is worth and I expect no change.
 
Brian46 said:
He was the initial importer for these rifles and got them past the rcmp to a NR FRT without any sort of physical inspection.
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How is it possible to get a FRT without physical inspection? No checking for convertibility to auto using CNC machining?

Or was it before illustrious Murray Smith and his roll of magical duct tape showed up at the lab.
 
TSE JR said:
To all,

I admitted and apologized for my part in the initial reclassification years ago, which included calling the RCMP. I still have my personal opinions on the rifle in question and if I feel that an illegal firearm comes into my shop today, I will still call the police.

That is old news and I think I have paid a heavy price for that already. What the OP posted is something I have already answered for.

As to the URL's: This I thought was a dead issue. Years ago (probably about 8 or 9 now) when my old partners and I were in the heat of a bitter divorce, I bought the domain names. They also parked a banner van at the same time with their business advertising at my entrance.... neither of us were acting very classy at the time. Not something I am particularly proud of. What I did a long time ago was have the domains redirected from pointing at me to point at the Calgary Firearms Centre (both an awesome organization and a very similar name in Calgary). When I checked last night, it was effective for the .ca extension but not the .com. That has since been fixed.

I would also remind people that the sans-overview on the CSC page is just that; the CSC page. Nuf said on that.

I also had NOTHING to do with the CZ-858 issues, the changes to the antique firearms policies, the M-305 issues and the host of other smaller fish that the RCMP did all at the same time of the initial prohibition 4 years ago. These seem to keep cropping up with my name attached. Not true in any form.

Yes, I handed them the Swiss Arms on a platter. But lets all be objective here: They were just waiting for an excuse, as is they are now for a few other firearms they hate/want gone.

My direct email is jr@theshootingedge.com

JR
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Nice try at obfuscation. For those of us who know the issue, CZ and M-305 are red herrings on your part. Staying on issue - the Swiss Arms is entirely of your making. They (the RCMP) were not waiting for an excuse. The tainted lineage wasn't even on their radar screen until you communicated that to them. As was suggested by others here - if you were seriously remorseful about the damage you caused you would pay the current owners of the affected Swiss Arms rifles. At that point I would be willing to forgive. You might even come out better financially over several years because those of us who will hammer you on this and bring it up whenever possible, are going to cost you a fair amount of business.
 
Norincodude said:
Nice try at obfuscation. For those of us who know the issue, CZ and M-305 are red herrings on your part. Staying on issue - the Swiss Arms is entirely of your making. They (the RCMP) were not waiting for an excuse. The tainted lineage wasn't even on their radar screen until you communicated that to them. As was suggested by others here - if you were seriously remorseful about the damage you caused you would pay the current owners of the affected Swiss Arms rifles. At that point I would be willing to forgive. You might even come out better financially over several years because those of us who will hammer you on this and bring it up whenever possible, are going to cost you a fair amount of business.
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You can’t substantiate that claim either. Everyone who knew anything about firearms classification knew full well that they could go after the Swiss Arms line back in the day. All the people I knew 15 years ago warned about that. Now it’s become an issue. But it was inevitable.
 
CaberTosser said:
As far as the interfering with CSC's business goes, TSE owns the web domain calgaryshootingcentre.com and has it redirecting to TSE's website. How's that for class, masquerading as the competition? Renewing the thing annually make it worse so far as I'm concerned, it just seems awfully petty to me. I was trying to not take sides until I discovered that tidbit and it knocked me right off the fence.
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Funny thing is, TSE used to have a pretty good reputation. Back in the days when there were a lot fewer dealers, TSE was one of the best. Before the whole RCMP complaint fiasco, I considered JR to be a stand up guy. I don't know what happened between JR and his former business partners, but it seems like the man has lost his mind.
 
The real point is ,He sold very expensive guns to consumers and
the turned and screwed them! From non restricted to prohibited!
 
TSE JR said:
To all,

I admitted and apologized for my part in the initial reclassification years ago, which included calling the RCMP. I still have my personal opinions on the rifle in question and if I feel that an illegal firearm comes into my shop today, I will still call the police.

That is old news and I think I have paid a heavy price for that already. What the OP posted is something I have already answered for.at the RCMP did all at the same time of the initial prohibition 4 years ago. These seem to keep cropping up with my name attached. Not true in any form.

Yes, I handed them the Swiss Arms on a platter. But lets all be objective here: They were just waiting for an excuse, as is they are now for a few other firearms they hate/want gone.
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Some sins are too great to atone for with a simple apology. This is something that people will remember for a long time. What you did was not a "mistake". It was malicious, reckless and downright stupid. You were the original importer in the early 2000's. You told the RCMP that it was based on the 540, not the 550. And years later, you call them and egg them on to conduct an in-depth investigation?? Seriously, how much did you have to drink before you made that call?
 
Brian46 said:
Because it's crocodile tears. His own rifles appeared different than a competitors. His own rifles in the end were the ones the RCMP had an issue with.
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That's the other thing that really bugs me. TSE actually sold converted FA's to unwitting customers. To the best of my knowledge, JR never explained how he ended up importing converted FA's...
 
capp325 said:
That's the other thing that really bugs me. TSE actually sold converted FA's to unwitting customers. To the best of my knowledge, JR never explained how he ended up importing converted FA's...
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I don't understand how he was not found criminally liable since his business is solely responsible for the initial false submission to the rcmp that gave the rifles their false NR status.........
 
capp325 said:
That's the other thing that really bugs me. TSE actually sold converted FA's to unwitting customers. To the best of my knowledge, JR never explained how he ended up importing converted FA's...
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Or the fact guns he gave the RCMP as control samples from his own inventory that he imported were in fact prohibited firearms like the many in circulation with his companies logo on them,
 
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