Update On Ontario Restricted Transfer Times

restricted transfer for ontario

Hi all
My son is doing his rpal course this weekend. ( he currently has a valid pal) I want to transfer two of my handguns into his name. I am told there is a mail in transfer method available. Is this true? Is it a better way to make sure the transfer gets done?
Thanks for any input
 
Xhulk said:
Ok. Real life experience. I was called by someone from 1800 number. (Caller ID said RCMP) Nice LADY called to verify a "mail in transfer". Signature was missing. It's a province to province. Not possible to get a signature. Everything else was fine. Not everyone is incapable of filling out a simple form. Sometimes, other factors are in play. Call lasted all of 2 minutes. Also, they do not throw out forms. People make mistakes, including those who approve our transfers. The seller was directed to mail in the form because the phone lines were unuseable/dead/busy. It was mailed in mid June and I received a call 5 weeks later. I was issued a number in the 597###x range. To clarify, it's a private to private. Buyer is me in ON. Just a little real life experience to help educate and pass on. I hope this helps.
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I’d say you were very fortunate.

Why would it be not possible to get a signature?
Buyer fills out form, scans form, sends to seller
Seller signs, sends to CFP.
 
bliedungj said:
The stores apparently arent getting the transfers, its emailed to the buyer now, you have to forward it to the store. At least thats what ive been told by my local shop.
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That has happened and there were a few dealers that asked their customers to contact them if they got an email notification that the transfer was completed. Don’t remember what dealers asked for that or what province.
 
JQIAN said:
No it’s not. June 1st transfers are different from June 2nd’s because May 27 is different from May 28.
Same logic, June 1st transfers are different from July 1st transfers.
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Accept that you're wrong. The number of transfers already in the system when a June 1 purchase transfer was initiated has exactly zero relevance when the specific topic of conversation is how many days that June 1 transfer takes to get approved. Will it take a LOT longer? Of course it will, but that clock starts ticking the moment the transfer is initiated; that those transfers didn't begin getting approved until some time in July, are we to pretend the days between June 1 and the date something actually started to happen with those transfers in July just disappeared? Day 1= Transfer Initiation, not when the CFC/CFO started working on June 1 transfers a month later.

JQIAN said:
June 1’s transfers were finished way less than 83 days.
Vast majority time of July was spent on prior June 1’s transfers
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It doesn't matter if they were printing off transfer applications and having paper airplane races with them; The day a transfer is initiated until the day it is approved is equal to how many days it took, not starting on the day someone began working in it, even if it sat there untouched for a full month.
 
PixInTheSix said:
Accept that you're wrong. The number of transfers already in the system when a June 1 purchase transfer was initiated has exactly zero relevance when the specific topic of conversation is how many days that June 1 transfer takes to get approved. Will it take a LOT longer? Of course it will, but that clock starts ticking the moment the transfer is initiated; that those transfers didn't begin getting approved until some time in July, are we to pretend the days between June 1 and the date something actually started to happen with those transfers in July just disappeared? Day 1= Transfer Initiation, not when the CFC/CFO started working on June 1 transfers a month later.



It doesn't matter if they were printing off transfer applications and having paper airplane races with them; The day a transfer is initiated until the day it is approved is equal to how many days it took, not starting on the day someone began working in it, even if it sat there untouched for a full month.
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Not sure if trolling or just idiotic. The assertion he's responding to is that is every single day after would take 83 days MORE. He's right, the rest are braindead. Its not that difficult to understand.

Chuckbuster said:
How so? Unless I've missed something...83 days for Ontario CFO to finish June 1, with the same rate, give it a similar time for June 2 and again to finish June 3. That's roughly another 160 days or almost 6 months. The only saving grace would be a decrease in total transfer numbers which would decrease total processing times by date. However, having been left dangling for 2 or more months at a time by the Ontario CFO at the best of times, I'm not entirely hopeful of a speedy end to this saga. And besides...there was more than a little exasperation implied at the blinding speed of the CFO in my original statement.
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People who have no clue yet are so convinced just piss me off so much. Stop to think about why thinking it'll take another 6 months to finish June 3 is so different from estimates based on data.

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YES it took 83 days since June 1 for June 1 to finish processing. No it did not take 83 days to work on ONLY June 1 transfers, it took approx 34 days. How much MORE time will it take to finish June 2 if June 1 finished today? 34 days! June 3? less than 34 days because there were 5000~ transfers rather than 7000~ on that day.
You guys are making me lose hope for this country. Is the need to appear right so much more important than sitting down and looking at the numbers and logic?
 
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Chuckbuster said:
You missed the qualifier “same rate”. Anyhow, the point remains that it is taking the Ontario CFO far too long.
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No I didn't, just admit you didn't think it through dude. The estimates are based on the same rate. Given the same rate it has been, June 3 will finish near middle to end October.
It will not take another 6 months, it will take another 1.5-2 months. Same rate, no speedups or slowdowns. No one is arguing its taking too long, I have 12 I'm waiting for. Throwing out bad numbers out isn't helping anyone though.

You asked "how so", and you were answered.
 
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Wolf said:
I still have the old chart collected from CGN and updating it, but seems like new one I created based on GunBlog is more accurate in estimation and predicts up to July 19 that is plenty.
The blue column is based on data acquired from RCMP on ATIA. Red 5890300 is from CGN, and rest is just guess/math.
We should be seeing June 2nd transfers by next week, the 58947XX should be a June 1st, but not sure why is reported as June 2nd. We had 58953XX reportd as June 1st.
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I have a transfer that was definitely submitted June 2 number 58965xx
 
machohugeaxe said:
No I didn't, just admit you didn't think it through dude. The estimates are based on the same rate. Given the same rate it has been, June 3 will finish near middle to end October.
It will not take another 6 months, it will take another 1.5-2 months. Same rate, no speedups or slowdowns. No one is arguing its taking too long, I have 12 I'm waiting for. Throwing out bad numbers out isn't helping anyone though.
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yes
and neither is calling them to ask if yours is done yet
 
Has anyone or anything clear today ?
That’s help Estimating
The time line for wolf Chart system
I would like say thanks to wolf And everyone that participate.
Then the ones complaining back & froth .
 
There were a few factors involved which you are not privy to. I just shared my experience. No need to elaborate and have a debate. Not everything is cut and dry for everybody. So, what's your reference number and dates? Let's help out the thread
 
FatCatsDad said:
We dont need any more new transfer reference numbers

We need Completion dates with the transfer reference #
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Exactly!!! Let's try to cut down on the complaining on this thread, it's more upsetting than helpful. Concentrating on completion dates with reference numbers may ease the pain....a little. It may seem we are sloooowly going forward, now that we are over the June 1st hump
 
1northernboy said:
Exactly!!! Let's try to cut down on the complaining on this thread, it's more upsetting than helpful. Concentrating on completion dates with reference numbers may ease the pain....a little. It may seem we are sloooowly going forward, now that we are over the June 1st hump
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According to the chart, there's also a pretty big hump on June 2. :(
 
bliedungj said:
The stores apparently arent getting the transfers, its emailed to the buyer now, you have to forward it to the store. At least thats what ive been told by my local shop.
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Well thats a real security risk. Don't even need photoshop. Just a little white out and a photocopier. What a joke and extremely high level of incompetence.
 
Bigbubba said:
I think there are people spreading misinformation here.

I have initiated/completed 4 transfers by mail.
In each case I have a reference number and serial number to identify which ref # belongs to which firearm.

I am not expecting any phone calls from either the CFP or CFO.

I would expect that mailed in transfers that were incomplete (such as no signature, or an incorrect registration number) would just get tossed, I would not expect the CFP to call. The CFP don't even call or email to supply a reference number for a good transfer, why would they waste time with people who can't follow simple instructions to complete a form? (which as an aside there seems to be an abundance of on this forum)

I have had discussion with the CFO and the person told me that all that needs to happen now is for the CFO to approve.
So that may take some time, but I'm not expecting any calls.

BUT I Have been to my MPP's office to discuss the slow service in person. Some more people on here should do that
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Please elaborate - how did you get to know transfer reference numbers for the snail mail initiated? Called, got through and asked? as a seller or as a buyer? tnx
 
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