HK MR223 - lots 'o pics

OZZ said:
WTF are you talking about?? This is the neutered version of HK416 which will drop on any standard AR lower.
How can you even compare it to those other platforms at all?
Any way you slice it this is a neutered 416.
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It wont drop onto any AR lower since the pins have also been altered so it cant. Which means, different operating system and technically different registered lower makes it a different firearm..Someone really should show this to the RCMP with a longer barrel for NON restricted classification.

EDIT** unless you are saying the original will drop on to any lower and this is neutered because it wont** apologize if that is the case!
 
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So, here's what I know so far:

1) The mag-well is tight. But, it worked well with my 10 round RRA mag. At first the mag didn't drop freely, but with some very minor and strategic sanding of the finish on the mag, it drops free and clear.

2) It seems to be compatible with aftermarket pistol grips. Danielle, at Wolverine Supplies, installed an Ergo Suregrip on one of their MR223, to verify for me. I promptly ordered the Ergo grip. I also ordered a ARMS #40L BUIS, and Midwest Industries flip-up front sight.

3) HK has three different pistol grips available for the MR223. Wolverine Supplies will be able to order them when the new price list comes out in a couple of weeks.

4) HK also makes different butt-plates for the stock. I am also pretty sure that the stock is interchangeable with aftermarket units.

5) Like I said before, the fit and finish is absolutely sublime. You'd really have to see it and handle it to know what I mean.

6) The trigger is really outstanding. It is lighter than the trigger pull on a Swiss Arms, and breaks clean. The trigger on my HK SL8-5, on the other hand, has a spongy trigger that feels like ####.

I've been through a bit of an emotional roller coster with this gun in the past 24 hours. My initial enthusiasm was soured a bit by some of the negative comments. But, after a bit of research about potential accessories, and after spending a lot of time examining it tonight, my enthusiasm is renewed. I am going to play hookey from work tomorrow and put a few rounds down range.
 
cwblackwell88 said:
It wont drop onto any AR lower since the pins have also been altered so it cant. Which means, different operating system and technically different registered lower makes it a different firearm..Someone really should show this to the RCMP with a longer barrel for NON restricted classification.

EDIT** unless you are saying the original will drop on to any lower and this is neutered because it wont** apologize if that is the case!
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LOL, yes this is what I mean by the neutred remark.
 
OZZ said:
LOL, yes this is what I mean by the neutred remark.
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Haha again i apologize then.. re-read after i posted!

But true lets not ruin his excitement..If people like him couldnt afford these expensive guns then dealers would just stop bringing them in and we wouldn't get many new firearms in Canada.
 
cwblackwell88 said:
Haha again i apologize then.. re-read after i posted!

But true lets not ruin his excitement..If people like him couldnt afford these expensive guns then dealers would just stop bringing them in and we wouldn't get many new firearms in Canada.
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Your right about the RCMP not classifing this MR223 properly either, this is a totally different stand alone rifle and should be classed as such. If you could get a longer barrel it should be non restricted and THAT would make it tre cool!
 
OZZ said:
WTF are you talking about?? This is the neutered version of HK416 which will drop on any standard AR lower.
How can you even compare it to those other platforms at all?
Any way you slice it this is a neutered 416.
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You're missing the point. You are saying "neutered" as if the fact that HK uppers and lowers are not interchangeable with their AR counterparts is some sort of a major problem. But who cares if an HK upper drops on a standard AR lower? Who would want a halfling HK anyway when you can have a complete rifle? And if you can't afford the full package, you probably wouldn't be able afford an HK upper either.
 
OZZ said:
Your right about the RCMP not classifing this MR223 properly either, this is a totally different stand alone rifle and should be classed as such. If you could get a longer barrel it should be non restricted and THAT would make it tre cool!
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Just wondering though, doesn't the manufacturer have to challenge the classification of a firearm? I was under the impression individuals couldn't unless they could afford a high priced lawyer.
 
Starscream said:
Just wondering though, doesn't the manufacturer have to challenge the classification of a firearm? I was under the impression individuals couldn't unless they could afford a high priced lawyer.
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I BELIEVE it just takes getting one in for the RCMP to look over.. Someone would just need to cover the cost of the rifle.
 
UncleWalther said:
I've been through a bit of an emotional roller coster with this gun in the past 24 hours. My initial enthusiasm was soured a bit by some of the negative comments.
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I wasn't trying to rain on your parade either, apologies if it seemed that way.

We want your honest opinion, that's all. If it's a great gun, tell us. If you feel it's overpriced, tell us. If I had money laying around, I would be a guinea pig for all the latest gear too.

Oh, and thanks for sharing with CGN. You could just as easily buy it and stick it in a safe unused for years or enjoy it without posting... as the other buyers are likely doing.
 
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capp325 said:
You're missing the point. You are saying "neutered" as if the fact that HK uppers and lowers are not interchangeable with their AR counterparts is some sort of a major problem. But who cares if an HK upper drops on a standard AR lower? Who would want a halfling HK anyway when you can have a complete rifle? And if you can't afford the full package, you probably wouldn't be able afford an HK upper either.
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Its nothing really to do with the price or affordability , what it has to do with is the fact that HK touted the 416 from the start as the greatest improvement to the AR platform in 20 years right from their own literature.

AR platform not Tavor or Swiss arms, AR platform get it AR platform.
They were not reinventing the wheel with the 416, just basically added a piston setup.
 
Starscream said:
Just wondering though, doesn't the manufacturer have to challenge the classification of a firearm? I was under the impression individuals couldn't unless they could afford a high priced lawyer.
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Anyone of the dealers could have done it, if they wanted to. Now I dont know if they can change it since its allready registered as what?? I dont know, maybe a dealer that bought some could chime in.
 
I snuck out to the range for an hour this morning. I love this gun! The grip angle, while it looks odd, is actually very comfortable (for me anyway) for shooting. I put 100 rounds through the gun, using the same 10 round RRA pistol mag, and had no malfunctions whatsoever. The mag seated properly, the bolt stayed back after last shot, and the mag dropped free and clear. I wasn't shooting for accuracy. I just popped on the Elcan, did some minor adjustments to the scope after the first 10 rounds, and then just spent the rest of the time just getting to know the gun, shooting on the 25 yard range. The trigger was very nice indeed. I'll get it dialed in at 100 yards next week. For now, here's my target after 90 rounds, using my Elcan, at 25 yards, shooting off my elbows:

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Well done, mate. Nice christening. The grip is different but I didn’t think it would be awkward.

With a piece of engineering like that, you would very likely get sub MOA. Don't know if the Elcan will be adequate for that though. Too bad it’s restricted. That would be sweet for the bush.

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OZZ said:
Thats what it says when you check however you check? It just says AR variant.
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It is actually quite interesting. In the FRT notes section it states that the 416 is "similar" to the M16 (uppers interchange), and that the MR223 is the civilian version. However, in the law reference used to assign class, it states that the reason it is restricted is because of barrel length only. Based on that, one could install a 471mm+ barrel and it should be classed as NR.
 
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CanAm said:
It is actually quite interesting. In the FRT notes section it states that the 416 is "similar" to the M16 (uppers interchange), and that the MR223 is the civilian version. However, in the law reference used to assign class, it states that the reason it is restricted is because of barrel length only. Based on that, one could install a 471mm+ barrel and it should be classed as NR.
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Hmm, this is interesting.
 
CanAm said:
It is actually quite interesting. In the FRT notes section it states that the 416 is "similar" to the M16 (uppers interchange), and that the MR223 is the civilian version. However, in the law reference used to assign class, it states that the reason it is restricted is because of barrel length only. Based on that, one could install a 471mm+ barrel and it should be classed as NR.
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This is very interesting. I like the "AR style" layout of the controls a lot better than my Swiss Arms. The target special would have to go and this would find it's way in to my safe if this is possible.
 
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