T97 News.. not good.
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It removes all non res guns from the registry. It doesn't remove restricted firearms from the registry. It was supposed to remove the need for ATT's for restricted and prohibited firearms until whining and crying from the antis got that part of it removed.
Don't believe this to be shoddy work practice but rather the RCMP arbitrarily trying to rewrite the rules.
A rifle cannot be "converted from full auto" if it never contained full auto parts. I believe that this is were the RCMP are trying to rewrite the rules and claim that if it can accept full auto parts it must be full auto. This would be similar to the US position that an FA capable receiver is a machine gun regardless of the parts installed at the factory.
In Canada a receiver that is capable of accepting FA parts is still considered a semi automatic if it never had FA parts installed in it.
I could be wrong, but I believe that the receivers on the T97 and the VZ58's are identical to the receivers of their FA counterparts.
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It's a private members bill, so the chances of it passing are next to nothing.
My understanding is that Canada's guides lines on determining the actual classification of any Semi Automatic firearm is that if the receiver was manufactured as a F/A it is F/A regardless of modifications , fire control parts installed and is there fore prohibited,Which is exactly the same ruling the BATFE uses in there rulings.If this is the case we are going to be in a world of hurt with many other rifles that have been imported in the last 14 yrs.
Who knows we both could wrong or one of us is right
The CFC does not know what the F@CK is going on!!
Regarding the classification of my Type 97 shorty - the Tech told me that, and I quote,: "The legal classification on your firearm is under review". I was told that at this point it is still registered restricted, but I am not able to transfer it at all.
I asked why I would have been told that the rifle was a 12-5 prohib and she had "no idea"
I asked her why the Type 97 would be under review, and she said that "maybe the CFC has got more information from the manufacturer"
So basically they know nothing - and depending on who you call you can get any variation of different types of information
All I can recommend is to write letters.
It is highly unlikely that you will ever get a answer from the technical dept they only inspect and report there findings it is the RCMP that will make the decision on your rifle .
Clobbersauras is at work, so he wanted me to post this message for him, this is the third time he called the CFC:
So I called the CFC again and spoke to an information officer. When she looks up the FRT # for the Type 97 Shorty (318mm barrel). She gets a prohibited classification. She wouldn't tell me which class this time.
But when I gave her the registration number for My T97 it comes up has restricted. WTF??
Confused? So am I.
I asked to speak to a tech again and I was on hold for an hour before I got frustrated and hung up. I think they might be a wee bit busy with all this mess that they caused for themselves. : )
Call, e-mail, fax, write, and generally stir up a hornets nest over this one fella's. Don't let down the pressure. If they are still under review there may be a chance - who knows?
So I called the CFC again and spoke to an information officer. When she looks up the FRT # for the Type 97 Shorty (318mm barrel). She gets a prohibited classification. She wouldn't tell me which class this time.
But when I gave her the registration number for My T97 it comes up has restricted. WTF??
Confused? So am I.
I asked to speak to a tech again and I was on hold for an hour before I got frustrated and hung up. I think they might be a wee bit busy with all this mess that they caused for themselves. : )
Call, e-mail, fax, write, and generally stir up a hornets nest over this one fella's. Don't let down the pressure. If they are still under review there may be a chance - who knows?
The following is the letter I have sent to Mr. Van Loan regarding the present situation:
Dear Sir,
As a registered and legal firearms owner I protest the actions of the RCMP with regards to the Norinco Type 97A rifle. The rifle was legitimately imported by Canada Ammo and had been pre-approved for sale to customers in Canada. When the rifles arrived in Vancouver customs, they were held up for a month and then a sample rifle was sent to the RCMP for analysis. It has now been nearly two months and there is no word on the status of the rifle. The rifle meets all the requirements of Canadian firearms regulations as far as I know. Barrel length, capacity and safety are not issues with this rifle. This is a legitimate sporting rifle for use on the shooting range or for varmint hunting. The Type 97A is not the short version but a longer barrel version and was classed as non-restricted. Please look into the matter as there are many besides myself who have paid for the rifle and await delivery. Please reply this email. Thank you for your attention.
Dennis Beifus
Dear Sir,
As a registered and legal firearms owner I protest the actions of the RCMP with regards to the Norinco Type 97A rifle. The rifle was legitimately imported by Canada Ammo and had been pre-approved for sale to customers in Canada. When the rifles arrived in Vancouver customs, they were held up for a month and then a sample rifle was sent to the RCMP for analysis. It has now been nearly two months and there is no word on the status of the rifle. The rifle meets all the requirements of Canadian firearms regulations as far as I know. Barrel length, capacity and safety are not issues with this rifle. This is a legitimate sporting rifle for use on the shooting range or for varmint hunting. The Type 97A is not the short version but a longer barrel version and was classed as non-restricted. Please look into the matter as there are many besides myself who have paid for the rifle and await delivery. Please reply this email. Thank you for your attention.
Dennis Beifus
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Not necessarily. There was a private member's bill called the User fees act put forth by a Conservative that managed to pass under the lieberal dictatorship a couple of years ago. The law is now driving civil servants nuts.
There was a rather lengthy thread when Marstar first started bringing in the VZ 58's where someone basically accused him of selling prohibs disguised as semi's.
IIRC John set the record straight and said that if it never contained FA parts than it's not a prohib.
Case in point would be the Colt RO634. The receiver is milled and drilled to accept an autosear but it left the Colt factory as a semi-automatic (it wasn't marke auto either). Their are a few of these registered in Canada and they are treated no different than any other semi AR15, yet in the US where the rifle originated, it is considered a "machine gun" by the BATF because it can accept the autosear. Two different countries with two very different sets of rules.
I wouldn't be surprised if someone was confusing the two, it wouldn't be the first time that someone tried to pass of American requirements as our own.
JohnC
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I have a feeling the CFC/RCMP is worried about losing track of all the non-restricted cheap black rifles out there if C-301 passes. So they are pushing the limits to make as many of them restricted as they can - and using the "auto receiver" trick, they are going one better and prohibiting them... the us & them elitist attitude that such guns are only for the police and military seems to be at work here.
which may help explain why the $3000 semis are being left alone- since the civil service middle managers think that people who buy these are "of the elite" like them and more importantly can also afford lawyers.
which may help explain why the $3000 semis are being left alone- since the civil service middle managers think that people who buy these are "of the elite" like them and more importantly can also afford lawyers.
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That kind of talk could get you a beating from a certain firearms fourm site owner who collects those $3000 rifles
This is a ferbodon topic 
Seems logical, but if they can manufacture their own laws, nothing is safe. The Hi Point Carbine was deemed by this lot as prohibited since they felt the plastic on it constituted a bullpup stock. Go figure. As my signature line says...
JohnC
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oops looks like I found a cowpie 
or maybe it was 
- I was trying to point out how the civils servants I know think, not how things actually are. Sorry I guess I could have said it better -post fixed
or maybe it was - I was trying to point out how the civils servants I know think, not how things actually are. Sorry I guess I could have said it better -post fixed
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