Again, I'll repeat the facts: The loctiting is NOT REQUIRED on NEW XCR's. It hasn't been necessary for at least two years. The loctiting myth continues to persist because the haters flood any XCR thread and continually repeat it. When the myth gets repeated enough, people believe it, despite its untruth. Which is why GT is repeating it.
Robarms XCR-L Reliability Survey
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Again, I'll repeat the facts: The loctiting is NOT REQUIRED on NEW XCR's. It hasn't been necessary for at least two years. The loctiting myth continues to persist because the haters flood any XCR thread and continually repeat it. When the myth gets repeated enough, people believe it, despite its untruth. Which is why GT is repeating it.
No. Any rifle that has that many screws on it needs to have something to hold them in place. Loctite, lockwasher, peen, sine thread or double screw, but you need something.
For example, look back to some successful small arms that had screws on them -- No4T, and PU.
Although these are bolt guns, they are peened, or double screwed. To ship a semi design with this many screws is a little peculiar. To say that it can be run without anything locking them in place is absurd, but do whatever you want to your guns.
Sorry, took me a while to upload pics. Exact same ammo, one round fired from my XCR (the round with the ejector mark on it) and the other round from my remington bolt action.
I don't see a bunch wrong with the primer. That Extractor mark is a little odd though. Is it like that on all of them? Is the chamber dirty, or has a bur? Is your load hot?
You misunderstand, they are loctited from the factory now. He did not say it can be run without re read his post.
Newer Model XCR-L in 223
No loctite on anything
Regularly stripped for cleaning and light lube every 500 or so rounds
Round count is getting close to 2000 or 2500ish
0% faliure to fire or feed
Feeds on every brand of mag I have with 0 issues. Colt, Pmag, Bushmaster, C-products.
Issues:
I live close to the BC border in AB and my brass is thrown into Manitoba regardless of gas setting (can be fun to hit my friends with brass so this is not a huge negative). Probably a gas block issue, but I haven't dealt with it yet.
Occasionally it will fire twice per trigger pull. Haven't figured out why just yet.
It is really rough on primers, Makes my CCI primed handloads look over loaded. I will have to post pics, its pretty crazy looking.
I must have one of the accurate ones, with my handloads and 55gr fmj projectiles its MOA all day. I shoot it to 500 all the time and anyone I shoot with agrees they would NEVER want to be up against this rifle. With the lower felt recoil compared to my AR it has the potential to spot your own shots, and super quick follow ups.
If only it was as light as an M4...
No loctite on anything
Regularly stripped for cleaning and light lube every 500 or so rounds
Round count is getting close to 2000 or 2500ish
0% faliure to fire or feed
Feeds on every brand of mag I have with 0 issues. Colt, Pmag, Bushmaster, C-products.
Issues:
I live close to the BC border in AB and my brass is thrown into Manitoba regardless of gas setting (can be fun to hit my friends with brass so this is not a huge negative). Probably a gas block issue, but I haven't dealt with it yet.
Occasionally it will fire twice per trigger pull. Haven't figured out why just yet.
It is really rough on primers, Makes my CCI primed handloads look over loaded. I will have to post pics, its pretty crazy looking.
I must have one of the accurate ones, with my handloads and 55gr fmj projectiles its MOA all day. I shoot it to 500 all the time and anyone I shoot with agrees they would NEVER want to be up against this rifle. With the lower felt recoil compared to my AR it has the potential to spot your own shots, and super quick follow ups.
If only it was as light as an M4...
Robarm always loctited their screws. At least they attempted to on the ones I had from the first gen brought into Canada. One of the problems is that Robarm missed some screws.
Do you live in the US? If you do that would be why you see it for cheap. I paid nearly 4k for mine here in Canada and sadly its stuck in limbo until someone at the RCMP gets the heads out of their asses. As well the US DOS will not allow anymore to leave the US so getting one for 4k would be a steal if they are released.
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Called today and my SCAR16S is still sitting in in the dealers vault south of the border. I was under the impression that the DOS was only refusing permits on the SCAR17s, and the RCMP was my current issue. Suck to find out I have to sell it.
I bought mine about 3 months ago, a littl less than that. Put about 1 or 2 thousand rounds through it, in 700 or 800 rounds a day bunches. The safety no longer works because a peice of the trigger broke. Had about 4 dozen stove pipe failures, and a dozen type 3 mailfunctions. Had to red locktight everything, but thats every gun if you shoot lots. I switched to using axel grease instead of gun oil and have seen lots of improvment, if ar's werent restricted i would trade out. Accurate out to 400 meters with out even trying though
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- Model: XCR-L . Tool less gas system
- Caliber: .223
- Trigger: Non-Match (early style)
- Round count at minor issue: 600
- Issue: Extractor screws came loose cause I never put loctite on anything, lucky I bought mine with a spare parts kit.
- How many FTF/FTE: 0 with PMAGs, had a feed issue with a POS mag. (c-prod)
Total Round Count: 2k ish
Notes: After running over the rifle with loctite I never experienced any issuess. I loved the rifle, and miss it every day of my life.
- Caliber: .223
- Trigger: Non-Match (early style)
- Round count at minor issue: 600
- Issue: Extractor screws came loose cause I never put loctite on anything, lucky I bought mine with a spare parts kit.
- How many FTF/FTE: 0 with PMAGs, had a feed issue with a POS mag. (c-prod)
Total Round Count: 2k ish
Notes: After running over the rifle with loctite I never experienced any issuess. I loved the rifle, and miss it every day of my life.
Another 400 rounds of 7.62 x 39 surplus fired out of my new XCR pistol in the course of two hours, in the hands of 80 different guests. this was during the Abbotsford Fish and Game open house this past weekend, no malfunctions nor did anything come loose
How would you know if you made the right choice when you just admitted to never owning an XCR?
My XCR's reliability record is fantastic, with either the 7.62X39 or .223 kit installed.
As stated by another poster it shoots Czech Surplus amazingly well, ]the two CZ-858s I owned weren't even close in the accuracy dept.
I bought mine used and this rifle has really grown on me.
Don't know if I've posted in this thread yet.
Day one...out of the box, completely dissasembled, cleaned, locktite'd.
O-200 rounds, 0 rifle malfunctions then thouroughly cleaned again
3800-4000 rounds later, still 0 rifle malfunctions. Heavily abused and neglected. Put away wet and mud caked numerous times. Now has deep rust pits from being stored for months on end after being left in case covered in mud. Finally cleaned again but only because I was going shooting with some guys that take care ofthie stuff and I was a little embarrased.
The can't re-use brass is false. I reload. Truth be told, the chamber must be loose because I must trim maybe .03-.08 each time.
Oh did I mention 3800-4000 rounds of wet, muddy abuse without cleaning or oiling and zero malfunctions?
Truth be told, there has been 6-10 feed issues. Every
one because the mag wasn't clicked in. And once a shell bouced off the wall back into the chamber backwards...hard to belive I know, but we've all seen the footage of birds getting smoked in major league baseball.
Day one...out of the box, completely dissasembled, cleaned, locktite'd.
O-200 rounds, 0 rifle malfunctions then thouroughly cleaned again
3800-4000 rounds later, still 0 rifle malfunctions. Heavily abused and neglected. Put away wet and mud caked numerous times. Now has deep rust pits from being stored for months on end after being left in case covered in mud. Finally cleaned again but only because I was going shooting with some guys that take care ofthie stuff and I was a little embarrased.
The can't re-use brass is false. I reload. Truth be told, the chamber must be loose because I must trim maybe .03-.08 each time.
Oh did I mention 3800-4000 rounds of wet, muddy abuse without cleaning or oiling and zero malfunctions?
Truth be told, there has been 6-10 feed issues. Every
one because the mag wasn't clicked in. And once a shell bouced off the wall back into the chamber backwards...hard to belive I know, but we've all seen the footage of birds getting smoked in major league baseball.
