308 vs 7-08 for all round hunting...

Jordan Smith said:
Actually, .308" is 0.030" smaller than .338", and .277" is 0.031" smaller than .308", so that is a closer comparison than 7mm vs. .308.

It seems to me that people have been arguing that .270 kills just as well as .30-caliber for quite some time... ;) :D
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you are wrong, the absolute difference is irrelevant, the relative expansion needed is :
.308/.284 = 1.085...or .284 bullet needs to expand about 8.5% to become .308 calibre
.338/.308 = 1.097.. or 308 bullet should expand 9.7% to become .338

for comparison .308/.270 = 1.14 or 270 bullet needs to expand a whopping 14% to become a .308 or as much as .308 to become .351
 
guntech said:
Nothing bigger than deer? What a crock!

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Both the 7mm 08 and .308 perform well. Buy which ever you wish.
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I said it's the BETTER choice for large animals, not the best or only choice. With your thinking the 260 should be better than the 7-08 for moose then, right?
 
senior said:
Handling heavier bullets is a very legitiment advantage.
You may use & prefer premium bullets but in the real world more hunters actually use factory standard soft point cartridges, & more reloaders actually use standard soft point bullets. I have never used one of the so called "premium" bullets & have never, yet, had the need for one!
Maybe when the $$ of premiums matches the price of standard bullets I'll get excited & try them.;):)
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Really? The extra $20 for a box of premium bullets is a deal breaker for you? Compared to all the other costs of a hunting trip - even a low budget one, this is really a big deal?
 
Is this thread what they call "majoring on the minors" ... hey ... buy one of each caliber and ask her which one likes the best .. after all .... it the old saying .... happy wife happy life!
 
senior said:
Put a good hunting bullet like a 150 in either rifle!
My trusty Hornady book shows 2800fps with 150s in the 308 & 2500fps with 154s in the 7-08.
Same book shows a drop of 14.6" at 300yds with a 100yd zero & 1393 remaining energy for the 308. The 7-08 shows a drop of 17.9" with 1285 remaining enrgy.

A clear winner in my opinion:)
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My hornady book shows 2800 fps for both cartridges and the 154 gr 7mm is a better projectile than a 150 gr 308. You must have the older edition hornady manual. This is a clear winner in my opinion. cheers Pete
 
popper said:
you are wrong, the absolute difference is irrelevant, the relative expansion needed is :
.308/.284 = 1.085...or .284 bullet needs to expand about 8.5% to become .308 calibre
.338/.308 = 1.097.. or 308 bullet should expand 9.7% to become .338

for comparison .308/.270 = 1.14 or 270 bullet needs to expand a whopping 14% to become a .308 or as much as .308 to become .351
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Well, that's still overly simplistic, if you really want to compare expanded frontal area of different bullets. The diameter ratio isn't a true indication of how a bullet destroys flesh. Frontal area is a much better metric.

But my point was that the .270 and .30-06 are 0.030" apart in diameter, yet the debate has been raging on for decades in an effort to decide which one works better on game. Even that's not cut and dry, and 7mm and .308 are closer together yet. ;)
 
If it can't be decided which one works better on game then maybe there is no difference.

It is like saying what half ton hauls a bag of potting soil better.If it goes from point A to B, guess what, it worked.
 
There is one other difference to consider the 308 will stay a tack driver
for more rounds than the 284 . The 284 will lose accuracy faster than
the 308 as its more prone to barrel erosion than the 308 bore.
 
Anything a 7mm can do, a 308 cal of comparable sectional density and ballistic coefficient can also do. The catch is,in order to send a 308 slug over a trajectory as flat as that 7mm bullet, about 20% more recoil is going to be generated. A bullet in 7mm produces clearly superior downrange performance in terms of delivered energy and trajectory at any given recoil level compared to a 308 cal. There are two primary reasons a 7mm recoils less ,than a comparably effective 308 cal, 1; to match the 7mm's BC requires a significantly heavier 308 cal bullet. 2;to drive that heavier 308 bullet at similar velocities requires more powder. The combination of heavier bullet and powder charges increases recoil of the 308 cal. When you compare heavy bullets, grain for grain, the 7mm08 offers better ballistics. In other words 168 gr fired from a 7mm08 will exhibit less drop and less windage than a 168 gr bullet fired from a 308 win. For those that want to split hairs. cheers Pete
 
Wow... 12 pages... Between 7-08 an .308... You fellas take this personally dontcha.

My vote is for the .308... Cheap to shoot, will kill anything deader then dead if you know where to aim and lots of nice purdy factory rifles are chamberd in it... Plus you can buy ammo for it everywhere... And lots of bullet choices... And... And... And...
 
Step one: choose two cartridges, as similar as possible, to compare to each other. Preferably, they should be based on the same case (270 vs 30-06, 7mm-08 vs 308, etc).

Step two: ask for advice on which is "better."

Step three: make popcorn. It'll go for 20 pages of replies, easily.

:popCorn:
 
pete dobinson said:
Anything a 7mm can do, a 308 cal of comparable sectional density and ballistic coefficient can also do. The catch is,in order to send a 308 slug over a trajectory as flat as that 7mm bullet, about 20% more recoil is going to be generated. A bullet in 7mm produces clearly superior downrange performance in terms of delivered energy and trajectory at any given recoil level compared to a 308 cal. There are two primary reasons a 7mm recoils less ,than a comparably effective 308 cal, 1; to match the 7mm's BC requires a significantly heavier 308 cal bullet. 2;to drive that heavier 308 bullet at similar velocities requires more powder. The combination of heavier bullet and powder charges increases recoil of the 308 cal. When you compare heavy bullets, grain for grain, the 7mm08 offers better ballistics. In other words 168 gr fired from a 7mm08 will exhibit less drop and less windage than a 168 gr bullet fired from a 308 win. For those that want to split hairs. cheers Pete
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