308 vs 7-08 for all round hunting...

Sorry the score he shot

Winning Performance: Scoring 452 points out of a possible 475, Stuart won the F-TR Euro Championship convincingly, finishing 10 points ahead of F-TR runner-up Adam Bagnall (also from Great Britain). Stuart also had the highest V-Bull count with 33.
 
Barnes_270 said:
Step one: choose two cartridges, as similar as possible, to compare to each other. Preferably, they should be based on the same case (270 vs 30-06, 7mm-08 vs 308, etc).

Step two: ask for advice on which is "better."

Step three: make popcorn. It'll go for 20 pages of replies, easily.

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Just sharing the pop corn
 
A few years ago, I started a thread about "7-08- the new 30-06?"

I took 7mm 140gr TSX bullets and loaded them to typical 7-08 velocities, and 200gr Sierra Game Kings and loaded them to typical 30-06 velocities.

Then I shot them into newspaper.

I don't have the time, energy or inclination to do a complete scientific study, but here is what I came up with:

The 30-06 loaded with 180gr or 200gr bullets are a proven killer of game, and probably a good "standard" to start with. I don't think anybody would argue that shooting a moose or elk in the lungs with a 180 or 200 gr bullet from a 30-06 would not be an effective killer.

What happened in the test? The 7-08 with the premium bullets penetrated just as much (if not more) and left just as good a "wound channel" in the newspaper as the 200gr 30-06 rounds.

Would a 180gr TSX from the 30-06 penetrate more than the 7-08 140gr TSX? Probably, but that is not the point. The point is that most hunters would not feel uncomfortable shooting a moose with a 200gr cup and core bullet from a 30-06, and if the 140gr TSX will do the same, then there is no reason the 7-08 will not perform just as well.

It's not hard to conclude that any comparable bullet form a 308 and a 7-08 will create virtually identical results. And if a premium bullet from either will do the same as a 200gr cup and core bullet from a 30-06, the I would say both are well suited to accomplishing the same tasks.

SO pick what you whatever you want. As I said- the moose and deer will not know the difference between the 2.
 
Hotwheels81 said:
When your done bickering about this can anyone tell me what's better. 300 win mag or 7mm rem mag?...
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I've used both quite a bit, and they both kill very well, close up and far away.

If I was hunting grizzlies with either, I would probably take a 300 because it's using bigger bullets, but that is likely more for physiological reasons rather than practical reasons, as I've seen grizzly bang flop with a 7RM. For deer moose, elk, black bears and grouse, it's a toss up for most hunting situations under 400 yards.
 
muckle said:
Sorry the score he shot

Winning Performance: Scoring 452 points out of a possible 475, Stuart won the F-TR Euro Championship convincingly, finishing 10 points ahead of F-TR runner-up Adam Bagnall (also from Great Britain). Stuart also had the highest V-Bull count with 33.
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Those brits are good marksmen aren't they Muckle?
 
Gatehouse said:
I've used both quite a bit, and they both kill very well, close up and far away.

If I was hunting grizzlies with either, I would probably take a 300 because it's using bigger bullets, but that is likely more for physiological reasons rather than practical reasons, as I've seen grizzly bang flop with a 7RM. For deer moose, elk, black bears and grouse, it's a toss up for most hunting situations under 400 yards.
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Hmmm I actually made my choice a few weeks back... 300 WM... Would you suggest an accubond er perhaps a partition fer rough grouse?... Can't seem to find monolithic solids in .308 210gr but I just started lookin fer the next upland game season...
 
Hotwheels81 said:
Hmmm I actually made my choice a few weeks back... 300 WM... Would you suggest an accubond er perhaps a partition fer rough grouse?... Can't seem to find monolithic solids in .308 210gr but I just started lookin fer the next upland game season...
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Last time I shot grouse with a 300 I used 180gr Partitions. 4 of them charged....I dropped 3 with head shots. If I hadn't been using premium bullets, I may have died. Or just gone hungry. :p
 
prosper said:
Really? The extra $20 for a box of premium bullets is a deal breaker for you? Compared to all the other costs of a hunting trip - even a low budget one, this is really a big deal?
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Well yes it is.
If you only hunted with one cartridge I guess it would be minor.
I have approx 20 diff caliber rifles...start multiplying!
Besides why would a guy switch to a more expensive alternative when the items that's been in use for 100 yrs works just fine:confused:
 
Gatehouse said:
A few years ago, I started a thread about "7-08- the new 30-06?"

I took 7mm 140gr TSX bullets and loaded them to typical 7-08 velocities, and 200gr Sierra Game Kings and loaded them to typical 30-06 velocities.

Then I shot them into newspaper.

I don't have the time, energy or inclination to do a complete scientific study, but here is what I came up with:

The 30-06 loaded with 180gr or 200gr bullets are a proven killer of game, and probably a good "standard" to start with. I don't think anybody would argue that shooting a moose or elk in the lungs with a 180 or 200 gr bullet from a 30-06 would not be an effective killer.

What happened in the test? The 7-08 with the premium bullets penetrated just as much (if not more) and left just as good a "wound channel" in the newspaper as the 200gr 30-06 rounds.

Would a 180gr TSX from the 30-06 penetrate more than the 7-08 140gr TSX? Probably, but that is not the point. The point is that most hunters would not feel uncomfortable shooting a moose with a 200gr cup and core bullet from a 30-06, and if the 140gr TSX will do the same, then there is no reason the 7-08 will not perform just as well.

It's not hard to conclude that any comparable bullet form a 308 and a 7-08 will create virtually identical results. And if a premium bullet from either will do the same as a 200gr cup and core bullet from a 30-06, the I would say both are well suited to accomplishing the same tasks.

SO pick what you whatever you want. As I said- the moose and deer will not know the difference between the 2.
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Aww...but did you measure the force the newspaper recieved from the corisponding loads?
My bet is the energy contained in the heavier bullet would provide a measure of shock not provided by the lighter bullet!
 
I have taken 4 moose with my 7mm-08 with 140gr tsx so far. From what I have seen there was know difference in performance from my 7mm-08, 7mm rem mag or 300 win mag on moose. So to say a 308 can do stuff a 7mm-08 cant is a pile of bull crap.

Both are good cartridges buy whatever one you like.
 
quackquackbang said:
I have taken 4 moose with my 7mm-08 with 140gr tsx so far. From what I have seen there was know difference in performance from my 7mm-08, 7mm rem mag or 300 win mag on moose. So to say a 308 can do stuff a 7mm-08 cant is a pile of bull crap.

Both are good cartridges buy whatever one you like.
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And that ends this discussion. It's been proven now there is "know" difference in performance, to say different is a pile of bull crap (pun intended).
 
7-08 is an excellent round. There are rifles that shoot very well in that caliber.
I'm most def getting one (rifle) for my daughter as her hunting rifle.
 
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