Why is Beretta so bad?

[5440fight]

I've learnt not to argue with the likes of someone like TDC,Dont let them drag you down to thier level,Hes the guy that has something negative to say about everything and loves the conflict and drama he causes.

There is one at every gun store (usually a customer that doesn't leave until they hire him), forum, and star trek convention. Pay no attention, even when he's right, because it encourages as$hat behavior. He has a point about things not being copied, that is usually an indicator of it's success, afterall, mimicry is flattery.

 

[TDC]

God forbid a windshield wiper fails on TDC's car. Class action lawsuit here we come. Just bought a 92fs today for P+D after selling mine on EE a year ago. The only thing that fits my hands like a glove.

You're right, I don't buy cheap wipers either. I buy stuff that works, if it doesn't I don't have any use for it. If someone wants me to blow sunshine up their *** and role play about how "cool" their gun is then I'm not that guy. The OP asked for an opinion and answers as to why Beretta's suck and he got them. The guns are junk and their lack of sales and lack of progressive design features are evidence of such.

TDC

 

[Pistolwhiptricks]

You're right, I don't buy cheap wipers either. I buy stuff that works, if it doesn't I don't have any use for it. If someone wants me to blow sunshine up their *** and role play about how "cool" their gun is then I'm not that guy. The OP asked for an opinion and answers as to why Beretta's suck and he got them. The guns are junk and their lack of sales and lack of progressive design features are evidence of such.

TDC

 

[jeffcarr88]

You're right, I don't buy cheap wipers either. I buy stuff that works, if it doesn't I don't have any use for it. If someone wants me to blow sunshine up their *** and role play about how "cool" their gun is then I'm not that guy. The OP asked for an opinion and answers as to why Beretta's suck and he got them. The guns are junk and their lack of sales and lack of progressive design features are evidence of such.

TDC

You know everything laughs at your posts right? Mr. operator of extreme operations that only operators can operate.

 

[misanthropist]

I don't laugh at everything TDC says...his delivery is pretty unpleasant but he is usually pretty on in his assessment of guns and shooting stuff.

There are a few things on which we don't agree and I tend to think his take on shooting is a bit narrow - after all some people just want to collect guns and that's their prerogative, not that I think he would disagree - and his critiques are typically founded on what is applicable for defensive shooting.

BUT if one is asking about guns and/or shooting in a defensive or combative context...TDC knows what he is talking about.

 

[pizdets17]

Who said anything about cheap? Last I looked Glock is on the cheapest handgun list. 10,000 rounds is about 50 range trips for most people who will buy this pistol. $40 part is pretty acceptable maintenance. Sort of like a honda civic only needs an oil change every 12,000km but a Ferrari needs it every 2500km. Doesn't make it a piece of crap.

 

[TDC]

Who said anything about cheap? Last I looked Glock is on the cheapest handgun list. 10,000 rounds is about 50 range trips for most people who will buy this pistol. $40 part is pretty acceptable maintenance. Sort of like a honda civic only needs an oil change every 12,000km but a Ferrari needs it every 2500km. Doesn't make it a piece of crap.

I disagree, that does it make it a piece of crap. Recoil springs need replacing in all guns, its part of running springs in a machine. A 3 piece locking block/lug system that destroys itself is bad form. Unfortunately what aggravates this issue is the difficulty in obtaining parts in Canada. So the "reasonable" $40 to replace a part that shouldn't fail is far from a deal. I'd take the Civic over any Ferrari. If you're into drama queens then stick your Beretta in the console of your Ferrari and carry on.

Is it just me or does anyone else find it no strange coincidence that both Ferrari and Beretta are Italian made?

TDC

 

[pizdets17]

Well good thing that there are other vehicles out there besides civics and other handguns beisdes glocks or we would all be in the same box just because they are very reliable. Some more reliable than others, some just different. I am very glad to not be the same as you sir. Have fun with your plastic guns driving in a Civic with high end windshield wipers. Rest of the world will buy what they feel is fitting.

 

[North Trail Sports]

I'd take the Civic over any Ferrari. TDC

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[misanthropist]

If they ONLY broke locking blocks at 10,000 rounds, that wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. Just replace the locking block around 5000-7000 rounds and continue shooting. Sure, you'll spend $400 on locking blocks by the time you kill the pistol and that's annoying and an obvious design flaw...but if you can ensure proper function of the pistol by replacing that one part every year or so, it's not the end of the world from my perspective...you just have to change your list of "consumables".

The 9mm Berettas seem sufficiently durable to me...Rob probably put a lot of rounds through his over the years and might have some useful commentary. I don't like them much, but they seem to run okay if you can deal with their issues (safety placement and assorted mediocre ergos).

But the .40s are seriously problematic at that round count and I wouldn't use one for a serious pistol. If you like them and will only shoot it occasionally (and that describes the overwhelming majority of gun owners) then:

a) don't ask guys who shoot a lot if there are issues with that gun because they probably know a bunch and will tell you things you don't want to hear, and

b) don't mistake your collector gun for a legitimate equivalent to a hard-use gun...that's the equivalent of mistaking a Hammerli for a Ruger Mk3. These are two different things that appeal to people for very different reasons. As long as nobody gets confused about what they have and why, everybody's fine. The trouble comes in when the Mk 3 guys think their guns are Hammerli accurate, or the Hammerli guys think their guns are equally good plinkers.

A Hammerli is not for shooting Action .22
A Ruger is not for Olympic target shooting

Understand your guns, accept their drawbacks and limitations, and move on.

 

[smelly]

I have over 750,000,000 rounds through my 92A1 and the only thing that broke was the world-record for most stopping power...

Actually, I have about 2000 rounds through my 92A1, and I love it. Yes, the safety is in a stupid place, and yes it's huge, but it's a good pointer, it's not particularly expensive and it's drop-dead gorgeous. I don't shoot competition, so it's just murdering paper, and it does a good job.

Don't like the double-action pull? #### the bloody hammer

For my it's between 92 series and CZ75B... might want a CZ... darn.

 

[Repro77]

I got a 96D that was ex police at a great price from Wolverine a few years ago. I replaced the springs (cheap and easy) and replaced the trigger spring with the INS unit from Wolff, and its great now, consistent trigger pull with no stacking. Smoothest action of any pistol I've used. I can't really tell for sure if the locking block was replaced or not, but I have a sneaking suspicion it was...that being said, its one of my faves.

 

[Pistolwhiptricks]

So because the slide stops break on CZ's after thousands of rounds, does this mean that they too are not durable and poorly made just like the Beretta?

 

[jeffcarr88]

Glock 22s used to act like hand grenades...GLOCKS SUCKS!!! Also...you have to pull the trigger for take down? STUPID!!!! The trigger is mushy as all hell, the grip sucks and the factory sights blow chunks. Just saying!!!!

 

[BL89]

i cant believe some people care so much bout the stupidest, littlest, things...i feel bad for whoever has to live/deal with some of these people on a daily basis.

 

[jeffcarr88]

i cant believe some people care so much bout the stupidest, littlest, things...i feel bad for whoever has to live/deal with some of these people on a daily basis.

He clearly doesn't live with anyone...no one is good enough for him. Sad and alone...forever.

 

[BL89]

He clearly doesn't live with anyone...no one is good enough for him. Sad and alone...forever.

nah with his mindset and attitude he's probably got a 200+ pound ham fisted wife. he likes practical, well built women with large child bearing hips. he's a function over form type of man.

 

[Dietz]

You two are going too far.

 

[misanthropist]

Glock 22s used to act like hand grenades...GLOCKS SUCKS!!! Also...you have to pull the trigger for take down? STUPID!!!! The trigger is mushy as all hell, the grip sucks and the factory sights blow chunks. Just saying!!!!

G22s don't explode unless the ammo is bad, but many of the earlier Gen 3s had issues with rail mounted lights causing malfunctions. The trigger pull for takedown is definitely a design flaw and has certainly been a factor in a number of accidents. I don't find the trigger mushy and IMO the Glock trigger is pretty good, just misunderstood by a lot of people. It's very easy to run fast if you know what you are doing, thanks to the very positive reset.

The grip angle is dumb but doesn't interfere with shooting much as you just train to the shape of the gun you use, and the factory sights are garbage and I yank them off every Glock I buy.

Literally every pistol has a bunch of issues that you have to deal with. The advantage to the Glock is not that it has no problems, but that the problems it has are either easily corrected, or easily manageable. And they don't impact its reliability - except the very late Gen3s and earlier Gen4s, which had a bunch of extraction/ejection issues and for that reason I don't own or recommend them.

Getting emotionally attached to pistol manufacturers is stupid.

 

[jeffcarr88]

G22s don't explode unless the ammo is bad, but many of the earlier Gen 3s had issues with rail mounted lights causing malfunctions. The trigger pull for takedown is definitely a design flaw and has certainly been a factor in a number of accidents. I don't find the trigger mushy and IMO the Glock trigger is pretty good, just misunderstood by a lot of people. It's very easy to run fast if you know what you are doing, thanks to the very positive reset.

The grip angle is dumb but doesn't interfere with shooting much as you just train to the shape of the gun you use, and the factory sights are garbage and I yank them off every Glock I buy.

Literally every pistol has a bunch of issues that you have to deal with. The advantage to the Glock is not that it has no problems, but that the problems it has are either easily corrected, or easily manageable. And they don't impact its reliability - except the very late Gen3s and earlier Gen4s, which had a bunch of extraction/ejection issues and for that reason I don't own or recommend them.

Getting emotionally attached to pistol manufacturers is stupid.

Exactly...a Glock is no better then 99% of other handguns!!! If you have to learn/get used to a grip...why would I when many models fit my hand and point naturally? Paying for a Glock only replace sights sucks and costs you more money..." the Glock trigger is pretty good, just misunderstood by a lot of people" is a similar excuse you use for banging an ugly girl to your buddies when they find out!!!

The one thing that is funny to me...parts breaking at 15,000 + rounds is quite a bit of ammo, more then more people shoot in 10 years. If you can afford to shoot that much ammo you can afford to spend a bit of money on new parts. The gun itself is the CHEAPEST part of shooting.