Not really. Yes 5X3=15 but shooting one 15 shot group would probably be harder than shooting 5-3 shot groups.
My factory hunting rifle shoots between .5"-.75" all day! Really? Prove it!
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Not really. Yes 5X3=15 but shooting one 15 shot group would probably be harder than shooting 5-3 shot groups.
Sorry about that. I'm shooting a Tikka T3 Lite 30/06
They don't? Just kidding. I was shooting my 22 before that.
Ok dragged this one out of mothballs and loaded up some rounds for a go at this. After shooting a number of targets with 107 gr SMK's and getting frustrated with throwing one or two shots out of the groups, I switched over to 142 SMK's. Made the difference. Here ya go. I'm not a bench rest shooter so be kind.
Group #1 .566
Group #2 .651
Group #3 .421
Group #4 .446
Group #5 .346 Tightest group
Group Avg .466
Rifle is a Standard Winchester M70 Sporter Varmint. Originally in .223. I had it rebored to .260 Rem. Original barrel, stock, action, trigger etc...
Sightron S111 5.5-20*50. In one of the pics it is a different scope that I switched out to the Sightron.
I was originally shooting SMK 107's and getting good groups that were out of the scoring rings ( which I wanted), I only had
15 of the 142 SMK's loaded and knew they would be different Point of impact. Unfortunately somme fell in the black centre and are hard to see the edges. Oh well
I have a couple rifles that may be able to do this as well. What with warmer temps on the way, I will get them geared up. Its been fun.
Group #1 .566
Group #2 .651
Group #3 .421
Group #4 .446
Group #5 .346 Tightest group
Group Avg .466
Rifle is a Standard Winchester M70 Sporter Varmint. Originally in .223. I had it rebored to .260 Rem. Original barrel, stock, action, trigger etc...
Sightron S111 5.5-20*50. In one of the pics it is a different scope that I switched out to the Sightron.
I was originally shooting SMK 107's and getting good groups that were out of the scoring rings ( which I wanted), I only had
15 of the 142 SMK's loaded and knew they would be different Point of impact. Unfortunately somme fell in the black centre and are hard to see the edges. Oh well
I have a couple rifles that may be able to do this as well. What with warmer temps on the way, I will get them geared up. Its been fun.
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If that barrel is varmint contour you have to shoot this rifle in the varmint/heavy barrel challenge and shoot 5 shot groups instead of 3. And not to be a party pooper, but since you have had it rebored it won't qualify for that challenge either. You will have to shoot it in the .5" challenge. Sorry for the bad news, but nice try.
Sorry about that. But I want to keep this thread as close to a factory hunting rifle as possible. And since the barrel is rebored and I assume more "varmint" than "sporter" profile I have to say it doesn't qualify. But nice rifle and good shooting though.
I have got a couple PM's from people concerned about the way some people are measuring their groups. Even though it is the way most people measure their groups I figured I would post this pic of the proper way to measure the group. I usually start by turning the target over and folding the holes back into position so that there is I nice defined bullet outline to measure. This is also easier to see when your group is all in the "white". Your calipers should be right on the edge of the black "skid mark" that was left by the bullet. After you measure this extreme spread you then subtract the bullet diameter to get your center to center measurement
I am posting this in all three "challenge" threads to hopefully resolve any group measurement disputes. Thanks Rod
I am posting this in all three "challenge" threads to hopefully resolve any group measurement disputes. Thanks Rod
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In my opinion, you've set the requirement a bit too tight here. I would think that five three-shot groups under 1" might be a better yardstick, and more in line with the level of difficulty you set on your other two threads - which is to say, pretty darn hard, a lot harder than it sounds, but possible nonetheless, and you can feel pretty darn good about achieving it.
For what it's worth most of my hunting rifles would not be able pass this challenge. I'm a target shooter and I have shot many, many, many groups under 1", and while I have also shot groups smaller than 0.5" I also have a pretty good idea of how difficult that actually is. I am always very pleased when I get a sub-half-MOA group.
I have a plain Jane .30-06 Savage 110 in a wood stock, with a stiff/rough spot in the barrel about 5" from the muzzle. It's my "by default" big game rifle. It shoots 5-shots groups typically around 2.5 MOA; three shot groups would be smaller than this, probably about 1.7 MOA typically. This is nowhere near good enough to even bother shooting in your challenge, yet it is a perfectly good hunting rifle for many purposes.
Of all the rifles I have on my gunrack, I'm not sure if I have a single one that fits the spirit of your challenge, which would have a reasonably decent chance of accomplishing the task. It is a very demanding challenge, that's for sure. For me, it would be much easier to accomplish his 0.75" Varmint or 0.5" Precision challenge (and those are turning out to be no "gimmes" either!)
No, that would be even harder; a 15-round group would be bigger than the biggest of your five 3-round groups. A great shooter once told me, "nobody ever made a group smaller by shooting another round at it", and while humourous there is also a lot of deep truth in his statement.
The real killer in UTG's challenge is that *all* the groups have to be smaller than the specified size. That makes it _way_ harder than asking for an _average_ group size smaller than "X".
I am pretty darn impressed to see that several people have in fact succeeded in UTG's challenge of shooting five three groups all smaller than 0.75" - wow, and well done.
And I absolutely *love* that .416 Rigby - what a wonderful rifle and what fantastic shooting!
Is it 3 shots at 100 yards within 1" to get 1 MOA? If so, I think that would be a better goal... I've tried this 3 times now and failed every time.
What would people think if I changed it to 1" at 100 yards, BUT! changed the rule so that the rifle had to be 100% stock. No bedding, no aftermarket triggers. Absolutely 100% factory (except maybe a paint job because mine is painted). If the factory trigger allows the trigger to be adjusted that would be fine but otherwise no trigger jobs. I am only thinking now. Let me know what you think.
For what it's worth, I like that idea. I think that will be a more obtainable goal for more people and give more people a little satisfaction knowing that they can complete a challenge with their bone stock rifle.
Thanks rnbra-shooter. It was quite exciting for me to see the improvement a bedding job made on that rifle. The best 3 shot group I could manage with it before was about 1.75 - 2 MOA. I'll be giving the challenge a go in the (hopefully) near future.
I 'used to be' a TR shooter too. Sailing has since taken over my summers. Haven't competed since '91 or '92...
