LOL!!! My goodness, now you turned yourself into a martyr. I guess that I will take advice from your footnote.Sure thing...an "adult" calling a younger person (I am 22 if your curious) names because I do/agree with something different then you. Your making yourself look foolish enough the people have PMed me to say sorry for being called an idiot for my views from a "fellow hunter". Tell me about this respect thing again?Taking a head shot is not illegal...and it works GREAT if done in a controlled environment like it was in this video and no meat is wasted.
And just a heads up (see what I did there?!)...I have never taken a head shot at any big game so even in your book with your own "special" values and believes that you wrongly call "class" I have done nothing wrong but thanks for assuming. I am not trying to be a poster boy for hunting or get on the cover of Field and Stream magazine. I do not poach, lamp or road hunt...do not litter in the woods and I educate people on the pros of game meat and the joys of being out in the woods. I pose no negative impact on our hunting "image".
Still have not yet answered the black gun thing...
What you are saying to me...is EXACTLY the same stuff anti hunters use...you and I both shoot things for meat, both the same end game. You just disagree with a method of shooting I APPROVE of but have not done. Just like how an anti can eat slaughter farm beef but is against shooting it yourself. Your logic...fails!!!
Killing is killing, granted head shots are harder to pull off...if you know you can go for it and make then do it, if not then don't. No disrespect there, and because its more graphic doesn't mean anything to anyone other then it looks "gross". You know what else is gross? Gut piles and their smell, cutting the ####### out of the animal...cutting the head off, the sound of ripping the hide off, ect.
Get over yourself.
Tell me about this respect thing again?
A proper headshot
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bearkilr
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Deer can't contract BSE and they don't have CWD in Europe, so your point is rather moot. While both are TSE's, they are different, for the same reason neither deer nor cattle can contract scrapie from sheep or CJD from humans, they are species specific. So far no one has proven evidence of cross contamination.
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I don't have an issue with head shots. Like I said when they're done right they work exceptionally well and in some situations I believe that they're the most ethical shot to take (example elephant hunting). But they are a difficult shot under hunting circumstances. What I have a problem with is celebrating gore. The point of the slo motion replay of the deer's head being violently ruptured is not to illustrate how effective a head shot is, but how dramatic it can be made to look. You could acheive the same result (instant death) using FMJs but you wouldn't get the dramatice expansion footage.
The name calling doesn't serve any of us well, but neither does footage like this circulating in a "hunting" context.
I typically get those results at 800 meters and over in high winds, after 26oz of Gibsons and slippery trigger finger from spicy chicken wings.
Caramel does that with a .22LR using iron sights...
I never said anything about transmitting it to humans, but in the case of humans, the CDC and many other agencies who deal with diseases advocate minimal contact with tissue known to harbor the CWD agents, such as brain tissue.
Anyways although they also don't know how CWD spreads from one animal to the next, having brain tissue that is known to have the CWD agents possibly coming into contact with other animals is also frowned upon, as it believed to be one of the ways BSE spread.
Well I was commenting on another posters concern about using headshots on animals in a region known for having CWD, not Europe specifically. I also in no way said that deer can contract BSE, or anything to do with the rest of your rant.
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You never said anything about transmitting it to other animals either.
Nobody is ranting, just confirming what the studies have found.
Saturday's are good days for hugs!
Nobody is ranting, just confirming what the studies have found.
Saturday's are good days for hugs!
Good one!!! Your great at answering questions!!!
bearkilr
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Not a rant, just stating some facts to counter your fear mongering.
a lot of butt hurt in this thread... head shoot away if it can be done accurately, if not head & lung.
for those squeamish easily offended types that don't want to see it in slow mo. come the #### on, grow up and grow a pair or don't watch, it IS that EASY.
have a good day lady's, lol.
for those squeamish easily offended types that don't want to see it in slow mo. come the #### on, grow up and grow a pair or don't watch, it IS that EASY.
have a good day lady's, lol.
What fear mongering exactly? Did you read what you quoted originally? I simply stated that it doesn't meet guidelines for dealing with TSEs.
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It's not a question of growing a pair or not being able to handle watching it. It's a question of we, the posters on the hunting forum, acting as ambassadors for hunting, which we all have an obligation to do. This is not that. If you cannot portray an apropriate public image then we have a duty to not give our detractors more ammunition to portray us as barbaric, blood-lusting slobs.
Any event or statement, when taken out of context, can be offensive to anyone. Death isn't pretty at the best of times, and because of this, it's best not shared as casually as pictures of your pets. Why do you think most militaries ban the photographing of the dead? Are they ashamed? Should they not have killed? Would they do anything different, given the chance? - Of course not. It's just too distastefull, and some might say, disrespectfull, to parade the hard truths of our actions to the un-initiated. Is it a big deal?- no. Will it offend? -Absolutely! Should we care? - Probably. Perception is everything. Giving people a bad first impression isn't sensible for a group already struggling with a public relations problem.
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BUM is right, we must all FAKE IT and act like killing is not gruesome. IF someone shows the real live events of a hunt in picture or vid form we must as a group of fakers ..eerr "hunters" jump on that person and proclaim ourselves to be morally superior.
I ONLY CATCH AND RELEASE HUNT!!!!! AND YOU SHOULD TOO!!!!!!!!
SHAME!!!!
PRO- TIP - I like to watch eropean soccer for pointers on how to act when I talk about hunting.
I ONLY CATCH AND RELEASE HUNT!!!!! AND YOU SHOULD TOO!!!!!!!!
SHAME!!!!
PRO- TIP - I like to watch eropean soccer for pointers on how to act when I talk about hunting.
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so many people, including many hunters, are so removed from the 'reality' of harvesting game or other animals, that is disgusting and gfar more disrespectful to the animal than this video. Pretending that the "majestic beast" acknowldeged the hunter's prowess and died a dignified death...yadda yadda...is crap.
you kill an animal,...there is nothing majestic or admirable about it. You, with all the advantage on your side, take an animal for which in most cases, there is absolutely no "need" to do so.
There is reverence, sometimes remource, possible even pride... but it is not pretty.
The further we try and remove ourselves from the reality of what it is, tyhe more we become the desensitized twits which are so abundant today.
I will show guts, I will show blood, I will show quarters hung.... this is what it is...more people need to be in touch with what it is.
This has niothing to do with antis,...it has to do with hunters pretending ... even midleading in some cases...
here is me cutting out a tongue...such a faux pas
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you kill an animal,...there is nothing majestic or admirable about it. You, with all the advantage on your side, take an animal for which in most cases, there is absolutely no "need" to do so.
There is reverence, sometimes remource, possible even pride... but it is not pretty.
The further we try and remove ourselves from the reality of what it is, tyhe more we become the desensitized twits which are so abundant today.
I will show guts, I will show blood, I will show quarters hung.... this is what it is...more people need to be in touch with what it is.
This has niothing to do with antis,...it has to do with hunters pretending ... even midleading in some cases...
here is me cutting out a tongue...such a faux pas
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I am all for morals and ethics and introducing the reality of hunting but this video is hardly a "hunt".... Some of ys operate under a code known as "honour".... When you can complete a simple ee deal and can harvest meat without making a huge deal out of it or a youtube vid of cutting out a tongue then let us know....
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I see you're still upset cause you had to be taught simple ballistics and bullet construction a while back...
That's ok Sunshine.. you keep trying there little buddy,
Track, I always find it interesting that you talk of "respect for animals," and yet you clearly are unable to respect your fellow shooting enthusiasts... your posts smack of judgment, superiority and disrespect.
As far as this discussion goes... I would like to make two points;
1. This video does NOT reflect a hunting scenario.
2. For those of you who advocate head shots on game animals in hunting situations, I will say this; when it goes well the animal dies quickly and cleanly; but unfortuantely, I have tracked literally dozens of animals for my "sports" who "attempted" head shots, against all recommendations... and believe me it did NOT go well... the margin for error is TOO small and in hunting situations it goes WRONG more often than it goes RIGHT... hunters please stick with shots to the center of the boiler room... maximize the margin for error.
I can't believe that people have their shirt in a knot over that video. Do you need your kills to be 'clean' to feel better about the act because the headshot animal in the video was dead quicker and felt less pain than any lungshot animal.
It's ironic that I spent days working up a ballistic tip load this year specifically for culling deer with the end goal of 'lights out' shooting. Worked like a charm!
It's ironic that I spent days working up a ballistic tip load this year specifically for culling deer with the end goal of 'lights out' shooting. Worked like a charm!
