30-06 vs 308 ballistics and energy
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you tried a headshot at 700 yards? haha move over Tom Berenger!! and to be totally fair i know you have loads of experience but a shot placed at the base of a deers neck is not really a fair representation of a chest shot..penetration isn't an issue with the neck and most of us mortals cannot hope to make headshots routinely on animals at 300 yards let alone 700.
Not to mention light bombers. The spitfires and hurricanes used that cartridge in their machine guns if i'm not mistaken.
My rule of thumb is if it's good enough to shoot down a heinkel, it's good enough to shoot down a moose
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I did not TRY a head shot, I deliberately shot at the neck at the base of the skull and was successful. Lets think about that for a second. A 8" target at 700 yards is more than 1 moa, I really don't think shooting 1 moa is all that big a deal.
Last year my son shot his deer at 600 yards with a SMK in the chest, the bullet still blew through and made the deer dead on the spot.
The 30 plus donkeys I shot in Africa , all with SMKs all dies on the spot, even the sparrow I head shot at 600 yards died on the spot
I did not TRY a head shot, I deliberately shot at the neck at the base of the skull and was successful. Lets think about that for a second. A 8" target at 700 yards is more than 1 moa, I really don't think shooting 1 moa is all that big a deal.
The 30 plus donkeys I shot in Africa , all with SMKs all dies on the spot, even the sparrow I head shot at 600 yards died on the spot
I don't think you can compare 1 moa at 100 to 8" at 700yds!
There's a little more involved like bullet drop & windage judgment!
If you can head shoot a sparrow reliably at 600yds I'd suggest we have a new world champion on our board here boys
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Originally Posted by Janeau View Post
The 30-06 is a better hunting round. Nobody will go hunting moose with a .308 but many shooter still go with the 30-06 specially with the 180-200 grain bullet. You are lucky to get 2700 hundred feet of energy with the right handload combination in .308 but it is easy to get 3200 in the 30.06. This is a BIG difference. I own rifle in those two calibers and the 30-06 is as accurate as the .308. For hunting - 30-06 is the round to choose between the two.
Actually I was gonna suggest a backhoe
3200FPS with a 180 would require the shovel
Originally Posted by Janeau View Post
The 30-06 is a better hunting round. Nobody will go hunting moose with a .308 but many shooter still go with the 30-06 specially with the 180-200 grain bullet. You are lucky to get 2700 hundred feet of energy with the right handload combination in .308 but it is easy to get 3200 in the 30.06. This is a BIG difference. I own rifle in those two calibers and the 30-06 is as accurate as the .308. For hunting - 30-06 is the round to choose between the two.
HUH???
3200FPS with a 200 gr bullet out of an 06? please pass the shovel.
Actually I was gonna suggest a backhoe
3200FPS with a 180 would require the shovel
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1 moa IS 7" at 700 yards.
To consistently shoot groups of 3 or more shots into under 1 moa at any range takes alot of trigger time, and your are ABSOLUTELY correct, there is ALOT more involved. Wind being the hardest to dope, but 1 also has to take into account, temperature, humidity, altitude and so on.
I spend a great deal on my time shooting well beyond 1000 yards, so feel a 700 yard shot is not a real big deal, especially with the equipment I have to use. My rifles are all capable of far better than 1/2 moa groupings, not many people hunt with a custom target rifle as I do however.
Wow! That's about the most blatantly incorrect thing I have seen here on Gunnutz. That's really saying something, too!
Really.
Cheers
Trev
Not to mention light bombers. The spitfires and hurricanes used that cartridge in their machine guns if i'm not mistaken.
My rule of thumb is if it's good enough to shoot down a heinkel, it's good enough to shoot down a moose
Well said.
Not to mention light bombers. The spitfires and hurricanes used that cartridge in their machine guns if i'm not mistaken.
My rule of thumb is if it's good enough to shoot down a heinkel, it's good enough to shoot down a moose
Both the Hurricanes and the Spitfires were fitted with eight wing-mounted 0.303-inch (7.7mmx56R) machine guns.
But, please, let's not mix hunting with dog-fighting. There's no comparison.
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How does that line about it being debateable whether the .303 Brit has killed more moose or Nazis go again?
Thats kool, so how accurate does your rifle need to be for a sparrows head at 600yds??
That's about 1/2" div by 6 for 600yds = about .08 of an inch at 100yds
Not counting the other minor factors you described!
So just how good are you
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He's my Winchester pre'64 fwt .308 Win performance:
150gr Sierra
2866 fps
caution this load is maximum but shoots 3 shots bench rest @ 100 yds .246"
Oh No! It does not matter how fast it is or how accurate it is, everyone should know that the .308 is not enough gun
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Thats kool, so how accurate does your rifle need to be for a sparrows head at 600yds??
That's about 1/2" div by 600 = about .08 of an inch at 100yds
Not counting the other minor factors you described!
So just how good are you
Just to be clear here that shot WAS called and witnessed, not just a fluke.
These are Guinea hens shot on the wing in South Africa last June.
Note just the heads have some damage. The PH figured 300 win mag may have been a tad overkill for chicken sized birds.
The 338LAI I shot that sparrow with is now owned by "Kevan" on CGN. Lets just say it is not hard to keep putting bullets in the same hole at 100 yards with that rifle.
The 1 I built to replace that particular rifle is not quite as accurate, it makes a slightly ragged hole at 100 yards.
Keeping shots all inside 1/2 moa with either rifle is no chore.
As soon as I get my own actions built I will be replacing the current 338LAI with another 1.
Ad Topperwein was asked that question as well in the early 1900s
"Just how good are you?"
"I have good days in which I can do magic with a rifle, and I have days in which I should haved stayed in bed." Was his answer
50 plus years of shooting practice and being taught be the best does tend to give 1 an advantage just like any other sport where the participant started very young and kept at it through out his life.
I like Ad's answer to the question.
Just to be clear here that shot WAS called and witnessed, not just a fluke.
These are Guinea hens shot on the wing in South Africa last June.
Note just the heads have some damage. The PH figured 300 win mag may have been a tad overkill for chicken sized birds.
The 338LAI I shot that sparrow with is now owned by "Kevan" on CGN. Lets just say it is not hard to keep putting bullets in the same hole at 100 yards with that rifle.
The 1 I built to replace that particular rifle is not quite as accurate, it makes a slightly ragged hole at 100 yards.
Keeping shots all inside 1/2 moa with either rifle is no chore.
As soon as I get my own actions built I will be replacing the current 338LAI with another 1.
Ad Topperwein was asked that question as well in the early 1900s
"Just how good are you?"
"I have good days in which I can do magic with a rifle, and I have days in which I should haved stayed in bed." Was his answer
50 plus years of shooting practice and being taught be the best does tend to give 1 an advantage just like any other sport where the participant started very young and kept at it through out his life.
I like Ad's answer to the question.
When are the actions expected Rick? I was planning on bugging you in the new year.
