You can put in a new barrel, bcg and trigger into the bcl and still come in under a base modern hunter. Looking at Jerry's post the modern hunter didn't perform to the easy 0.75 moa that was originally claimed. From what I've seen that was pretty typical modern hunter performance. I'm glad I got rid of mine and so are a few others I've talked to you. I'm glad you and your friends lucked out but I wouldn't advise anyone to go down the modern hunter route.
BCL 102 Complaints/Whining Thread
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it's difficult to put much faith in jerrys load testing,as he's trying a couple of generic bullets.
And very vague tests.
All I've gathered is,the BCL is very promatic ,whereas the MH is reliable.
You add a $500 barrel,$300 trigger ,$200 BCG, + few extr parts + fit an finish and the BCL is about the same price.
And just because you couldnt shoot sub MOA , out of your MH, do not mean it's the guns problem.
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Travis Bickle
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See I think this were we go way off the trail here again on the BCL
Whoever said it was supposed to be a precision rifle?
That's THE biggest issue I have with it. The gigantic heavy "match" barrel that doesn't actually shoot like a match barrel and a tight chamber which causes reliability problems.
Just like these threads on the rifle, the gun itself is confused.
What the hell was it supposed to be? A ghetto precision SR25 or a NR all reliable AR10? Because it pretty much failed at both lol
Oh well, fack it to hell anyhow, I'm watching and waiting on the SLR now.
They have the right idea. Build the NR AR rifle you want with no NEA nonsense. Hopefully they don't fudge it up. Even if the upper/lower is around $800 you can still put together a damn fine NR AR15 for about the same ticket as the NEA102.
Fingers crossed and holding breath here.
Sunchild2071
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What does a person want? Jerry is basically doing this for free, so I wouldn't expect for him to load test to the ultimate degree. Hardly even reasonable to suggest so much. But getting a rough capability indication, from a shooter with known skills, is good.
Pretty sure he even mentioned that it would not be the ultimate final load, he was going for, that each owner would still have to find that for themselves, and fine tune beyond his observations.
And you have an AR10 not some fancy non user up-gradable picky on ammo rifle. With a side charging handle thats held on by a rare earth magnet. see I can find faults in the other rifle as well. all rifles have pros and cons.
If the user wants an AR10 that he can upgrade how he pleases than the 102 is perfect ! Some go full retard like myself and will just use the upper and lower to build the perfect AR10 that they want. If I want something that shoots SUB MOA ill grab my Cadex .308 and call it a day.
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I disagree about the new "blending" metal being a big deal.
Now for anyone that is changing the handguard, there will be a big gap between the aftermarket guard and this new chunk of metal. I'm assuming this new "feature" is edge broken as well as the rest of the edges on the rifle.
It's not going to feel nice, will look like crap, and is useless added weight.
Sure, it could be milled/ground/dremeled off, but that'll look like crap too.
Hey , I never said the BCL is supposed to be a laser lol.
And Jerry probably knows his sh!t.
But from what I've read,there's not much to go on.
A couple of bullet weights/powder loads and 4 round groups prove nothing.
And even Jerry has said he has no experience with the AR platform.
And his analysis is getting to be quite confusing.
All I've seen him prove is how unreliable the BCL is verses the MH.
Anyway, I don't have either, but people need to keep it real.
Right now,the $3650 MH looks better than the $1750 BCL.
Wait,is this the whining thread???
Lol
But buy whatever you want,but don't base your decision on someone else's opinion
And Jerry probably knows his sh!t.
But from what I've read,there's not much to go on.
A couple of bullet weights/powder loads and 4 round groups prove nothing.
And even Jerry has said he has no experience with the AR platform.
And his analysis is getting to be quite confusing.
All I've seen him prove is how unreliable the BCL is verses the MH.
Anyway, I don't have either, but people need to keep it real.
Right now,the $3650 MH looks better than the $1750 BCL.
Wait,is this the whining thread???
Lol
But buy whatever you want,but don't base your decision on someone else's opinion
Reading the screen shots of the timeline updates really made me get pissed off....Since middle of October these pieces of #### have been in the paint, or on their way to paint.....seriously? ####ING SERIOUSLY!?!
SEND MY ####ING RIFLE OUT ALREADY!!!!!!
SEND MY ####ING RIFLE OUT ALREADY!!!!!!
I've shot many sub moa groups with other rifles. Often on the same day I'd take the modern hunter out. The results Jerry got were similar to what many people I know have gotten with their modern hunters. 3 of the rounds seem good and then you get a flyer...
Also even after you throw in those parts you said your still only at 2700. You're still a 1000 under the BASE modern hunter. So far neither have been reliable but at least with bcl you can easily change out the problematic parts. As soon as the bcl came out I sold my modern hunter realizing I could have something similar for much less.
Sunchild2071
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I wasn't complaining enough. My mistake.
I have to complain that the snow in my regular shooting area is armpit deep, and just pushing to get my last building done for this project, so I haven't been able to get as many rounds down the barrel of my BCL as I usually enjoy doing.
I have to complain that the snow in my regular shooting area is armpit deep, and just pushing to get my last building done for this project, so I haven't been able to get as many rounds down the barrel of my BCL as I usually enjoy doing.
LMFAO!!!! I had forgotten about that guy.
I hear he's the new QC guy at BCL...
Enough said...
Outcast
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Oh don't go by that..that's just a mere guideline. Oh and don't ever bring it up to the company that is the only distributor and marketing outfit for BCL.... you might get double secret banning from that particular forum.
Outcast
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Oh that's pure gold.
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Thats where it pays having friends that work in a machine shop, It will look perfect once done.
My dremel and spray bomb bbq paint does the trick too lol
If you'd like to contribute a couple hundred dollars for more powder and projectiles then wait for him to have time to do it in his free time I'm sure he could find a 1/2 moa load. The point of the testing he did was to do a comparison between the two rifles, each rifle was individually load tested with the same projectiles and powder to show the difference not find the ultimate load for each rifle using every projectile imaginable.
What was vague? Rifles were tested at 100 yards and 250 yards depending on weather conditions allowing him to either shoot at the range or at his private spot.
This ^^^
Easy there Stompy McTantrum, if you don't like paying for something then sitting with your thumb up your ass twirling in the wind with no end in sight then don't do pre-orders.
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LMFAO!!!! I had forgotten about that guy.
I hear he's the new QC guy at BCL...
Enough said...
Actually I thought that guy died a few years ago.
One of the biggest whiners on this board telling me to stop whining in the topic specifically made for whining. Comical!!
If they had said rifles won't be ready until xx. Or hey there's been a delay they won't be ready till yy, fine. But every week is the same old song and dance. Checks in the mail.
If they had said rifles won't be ready until xx. Or hey there's been a delay they won't be ready till yy, fine. But every week is the same old song and dance. Checks in the mail.
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