BCL Siberian 1000 round range session - awful results
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A friend has the necessary license to perform such tests. But it is not really relevant. The AR/M-16 design is a mature one, having been in series production for some 50 odd years. Untold millions of rounds have been expended. When produced by an experienced manufacturer with full resources, the rifle is going to work. Period.
These AR-180B clones are a different kettle of fish. How many pre-production examples get tested to the point of failure? Do the companies have the resources to thoroughly develop a product, and not put it on the market until it is ready for release?
These AR-180B clones are a different kettle of fish. How many pre-production examples get tested to the point of failure? Do the companies have the resources to thoroughly develop a product, and not put it on the market until it is ready for release?
Listen man. I feel like we are getting off on the wrong foot here. We don't have a website because its in the works. We aren't an industry insider with a firearms business license. We are a group of average individuals who got together to do high round count tests of firearms because we saw that there was a gap in reviews on these products. I really do not get the animosity of someone in the community, looking down on others in the community, coming together to get something done.
Our goal is to eventually get to the point where we have a large repository of data, pictures, videos, and written up reports on a website that people can view and search through to make more informed decisions when buying firearms.
i guess i have to ask what angle you think is being pushed here? what incentive we have to lie?
Why would established companies like Colt be on the list? They're actually a real manufacturer with a track history. AR-15s have been tested enough. The entire point I'm assuming is testing these guns that might as well be prototypes, from unproven manufacturers with a not great track record.
We have been able to get supervised use of standard capacity magazines for some sessions, when shooting at ranges that have individuals licensed to possess them on staff. far from universal though, but it certainly helps when we can get it! we are hoping to remain as independent as possible from any manufacturer to allay any concerns over bias or favoritism however. so getting a more formalized relationship with an established business like that would have to be handled carefully.
Cuz some people go out and shoot in nature where there's dirt/sand or compete in brutality matches and things of the like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The Crusader Gen 2 has switched to a standard AR-15 bolt catch/release, since they say it prevents over-insertion. Not sure if this could be done with the Siberian as is, or you would need a gen 2. One thing they could use is a folding charging handle, as noted in the video. Pictured below is one showcased at Triggercon in a TFBTV Showtime video RRA BT6, https://youtu.be/z0gBpqaHWhM?feature=shared&t=113
TFBTV Showtime said:
It's the CANADIAN FIREARM Endurance Test. Not Czech Republic Firearm Endurance Test
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While yes, Getting a Bren 2 would be expensive, that's not ultimately why we have decided to put off testing it until a later date. For the same reasons we are not currently looking at testing the RDB, SU16, T97, Tavor, or APC223. All of these firearms have been on the market for a long time, some even seeing proper military trials. While there would be some value to add in the case of the SU16 due to it being rumored to quite literally snap in half after a few thousand rounds, it seemed more pertinent to test firearms that are new to the market, and have come in to fill the gaps left by the current governments bans. By all means, when the day comes, we would be happy to test things like the Maccabee SLR, BCL 102, ATRS rifles, and other platforms with more history in canada should they be unbanned.
But the reality is, testing firearms like the WKs, the Raven, the Siberian, ect. is that these are the rifles that beginners, casual shooters, and shooters on a budget are going to buy and large be acquiring compared to $2500+ rifles. I know its what i did when i got my first black rifle (Gen-1 WK180).
We aren't perfect. we don't have limitless funds, or time. We are making an honest effort to provide information for the community as best as we can. Not everyone is going to be satisfied with what we achieve, and we know that. it would be foolish of us to setout on an effort to provide criticism for the manufacturers if we were unwilling to accept criticism ourselves.
This is only our second test. i hope people are willing to give us the chance to improve with better methodology and communication going forward as we develop.
But the reality is, testing firearms like the WKs, the Raven, the Siberian, ect. is that these are the rifles that beginners, casual shooters, and shooters on a budget are going to buy and large be acquiring compared to $2500+ rifles. I know its what i did when i got my first black rifle (Gen-1 WK180).
We aren't perfect. we don't have limitless funds, or time. We are making an honest effort to provide information for the community as best as we can. Not everyone is going to be satisfied with what we achieve, and we know that. it would be foolish of us to setout on an effort to provide criticism for the manufacturers if we were unwilling to accept criticism ourselves.
This is only our second test. i hope people are willing to give us the chance to improve with better methodology and communication going forward as we develop.
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Strongly disagree. As Innavedaw noted above, there is such a thing as "bad data". And bad data is worse than no data.
That's before considering issues regarding analysis/interpretation of the data.
Strongly agree, that's the spirit.
It's not that anyone thinks you're lying, just that you're attempting to present a glaringly obviously NOT scientifically relevant/serious test as though it was. Your test was rushed, and it almost seemed like you wanted the gun to fail, based on how excited people got when it did. There was nothing professional about the video, but you're expecting to be taken seriously and praised.
If you want to be taken seriously, you have to be a bit more serious.
But at the end of the day, like I said before, good things came of the video regardless. We know that the Siberian has serious over-insertion problems. We learned that it prefers some mags over others, probably because they're less prone to over-insertion; and now Siberian owners or potential Siberian owners know what mags to buy, or at least what mags not to buy. So thanks either way.
Ditto
