Canadian Manufactured 7.62 x 51 Semi Auto

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If you want to make money at this venture, roll your eyes back like a shark and look beyond the exploiting of communist slave labor - learn to speak Chinese or hook up with a co-investor that does - develop your design in-house here in Canada, (you may even be able to get Government R&D money) so that the design exceeds your specifications - take your investors money over seas and buy in at one of the China State Arsenals factories as a 49% share holder (which the Chinese government will allow) and start pumping them out. China flies in the face of any U.N. regulatory or global patent laws. Your market would be huge and successful. That way you would be able to sell back to all the nickle and dimer's here in Canada at reasonable cost -- as long as Canada still has allowable trade agreements as they currently do which would ensure your imports. Sales to the US would still be a non-start, but hey, the rest of the world market would be your oyster! Even Osama would put in his order.

I have seen evidence of this mentality put to work in oilfield related products sold in Canada over the past 10 years. As you can tell by my sarcasm, I don't agree with it as this dependence on "cheap" will be North America's downfall.

It's the way of the future.
You just have to have no morals and no national pride.:evil:
 
7.62 isnt hunter friendly over in the better province???
its a larger round than most deer guns use, so it should be a game legal caliber????

id love to buy a canuck gun but 3500 is a bit on the high side for a not so modern rifle that isnt cheap to shoot. might still buy one just to have, but it wouldnt be first on my " TO BUY " list

build a ar type rifle using 223 that is non restricted and you would make top of the list!! and probably every one elses list
 
For me, ~$3000 is far too steep a price for a rifle like this. I would sooner invest in an XCR, which has already proven to be an excellent rifle, with more options as far as caliber.

Somebody also pointed out that not everyone is going to want to spend ~$3000 on something that has maple leafs plastered all over it.
 
Armedsask said:
And there in lies the major reason no one will make money on firearms in Canada. Everyone wants the greatest rifle ever but they will not pay for it.

No disrespect meant to you, just pointing out the situation.
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Yes but this isn't the greatest rifle ever, it doesn't even exist, and when it does it will be untrialed with development still to be done.The first users will be doing the trials on it,finding the bugs and doing the job of finishing R&D on the design. 5 years after the design has been released it may finally be refined to something worth the cash.
 
Ted Restric said:
... As you can tell by my sarcasm, I don't agree with it as this dependence on "cheap" will be North America's downfall.

It's the way of the future.
You just have to have no morals and no national pride.:evil:
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Frankly, it is not the way of the future. Nor what we will be doing. The price of oil, Chinese domestic labour demands and carbon/environmental countervailing duties will soon move manufacturing back to North America. I bleed red and white. Take it from there.

As for the development cycle we believe that we can cut it down by using time proven design methodologies and combining them with a unique twist. Unlike the HK416/7 we are not adapting a piston to a DI system (IE trying to fix something that was flawed from the beginning) Although it has FN FAL influence, it is a modern design.

As for price, time will tell. It is a target. Obviously if we can do it for less we will and when we are farther in development we will have a better indication.

Severus
 
Reaper said:
Yes but this isn't the greatest rifle ever, it doesn't even exist, and when it does it will be untrialed with development still to be done.The first users will be doing the trials on it,finding the bugs and doing the job of finishing R&D on the design. 5 years after the design has been released it may finally be refined to something worth the cash.
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I understand that will be the case but in all honesty, I don't see a problem with that. I don't see a problem provided the manufacture is honest, up front, and straight forward about what they are selling. We will be paying a premium for a made in Canada rifle, that's just life.

When I was brain storming one day about building a gun, I thought the idea that all first series rifle buyers would get a decent discount on buying the newer version. This would be a sort of payment for doing the beta testing. No idea if it would work or be economical, but I thought it was a decent idea.
 
benmacksh said:
I would sooner invest in an XCR, which has already proven to be an excellent rifle, with more options as far as caliber.
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Keep the Dream alive:rolleyes: As far as a proven rifle it has proven to be not as durable out of the box as they claim:eek: .As far as caliber options goes you could actually buy non restricted versions of other rifles in the calibers they currently have cheaper and get a case or 2 of 762x39 to shoot for the cost of the conversion kit. :eek:

If this rifle has the features I like I would buy it
 
Armedsask said:
When I was brain storming one day about building a gun, I thought the idea that all first series rifle buyers would get a decent discount on buying the newer version. This would be a sort of payment for doing the beta testing. No idea if it would work or be economical, but I thought it was a decent idea.
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We have actually considered this and it will be part of the program when we first go to market in Canada.

EDIT: Just to clarify, we would likely offer introductory pricing on the first batch just in case there were any issues. Is is likely that we would not offer discounts for original purchasers buying the newer versions. We would like to get it right the first time.
 
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severus do you work at dew engineering? i know a guy who works at thier shop in ottawa and he has spoken of such things that may or may not be in the companys future. let me know how it turns out and if you do build it, put me and the wife down for 2 of them. good luck.
 
severus said:
We have actually considered this and it will be part of the program when we first go to market in Canada.
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So your plan potentially goes like this:

1) Customer buys brand new rifle at full price with the full knowledge they are acting as Beta tester.
2) After period of use, which may or may not include issues/frustration with the rifle and acting as an unpaid product evaluator/inspector, the customer gets a discount on a second rifle.

Is that correct?

Why not build a half dozen of them and give them out to testers? You'll earn far less ill will delivering a working, tested product. Your business model may not allow for the extra period of no income during testing, but I'm sure it would be worthwhile.
 
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Stevo said:
So your plan potentially goes like this:

1) Customer buys brand new rifle at full price with the full knowledge they are acting as Beta tester.
2) After period of use, which may or may not include issues/frustration with the rifle and acting as an unpaid product evaluator/inspector, the customer gets a discount on a second rifle.

Is that correct?

Why not build a half dozen of them and give them out to testers? You'll earn far less ill will delivering a working, tested product. Your business model may not allow for the extra period of no income during testing, but I'm sure it would be worthwhile.
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Not sure how you got that out of anything I have posted to this site. Do you honestly think we expect end users to be Beta testers? C'mon, get real.

This post and the ones like are getting a little negative. For those of you who have these types of opinions that amount to "type first, think later (step two optional)" you might want to think about what it takes to make something like this happen. We are not a group of armchair sunday plinker experts. We are not building a toy nor are we building a piece of junk in our garage.

This is a professional endeavour. I have run into enough negative people in my life with EXPERT negative opinions about everything and generally they are broke or have not amounted to much in their life. If you have differing opinions on the style or feature set that is fine. But consider this: when you post something that has entailed nothing but negativity or complete lack of thought you cost yourself credibility in exchange for the momentary feeling of power that you may derive in your otherwise powerless life.

Severus
 
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