Can't understand 1911

Mark-II said:
I'd buy a makarov if it didn't mean reloading yet another blasted cartridge...

That big retarded-slow (that gave me a laugh ;) ) bullet is fun, though. Still, I'm liking the 9mm more these days.
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I hear you.
I only am set for reloading .30-06.
I don't shoot nearly enough pistol to justify reloading for a handgun cartridge for now.
9mm Mak can be bought for very cheap in bulk. I stacked up heavy on the old Norinco stuff at around 17 cents a round when it was available.
I don't hate the 1911 like I said. If I ever do eventually buy one it will be a plain jane old school USGI model with some beat up wood grips. Who know, maybe down the road....
 
Travis Bickle said:
I hear you.
I only am set for reloading .30-06.
I don't shoot nearly enough pistol to justify reloading for a handgun cartridge for now.
9mm Mak can be bought for very cheap in bulk. I stacked up heavy on the old Norinco stuff at around 17 cents a round when it was available.
I don't hate the 1911 like I said. If I ever do eventually buy one it will be a plain jane old school USGI model with some beat up wood grips. Who know, maybe down the road....
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I have a lot of love for the USGI look. If I had mad money I'd buy one of the Turnbull ones, but for now a Remington R1 is close.

Who is selling Makarovs these days anyway? I don't think I've seen any in my usual trawling of sponsor sites. Else they are off my radar.
 
Mark-II said:
I have a lot of love for the USGI look. If I had mad money I'd buy one of the Turnbull ones, but for now a Remington R1 is close.

Who is selling Makarovs these days anyway? I don't think I've seen any in my usual trawling of sponsor sites. Else they are off my radar.
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Interrammo carries the Russian made Baikals which is the one I own.
They are surprisingly accurate due to the fixed barrel to the frame (straight blowback action possible because of the lower powered 9mm Makarov cartridge) very easy to handle, point and shoot. If concealed carry were a possibilty in this country, she'd be on my hip without question. I think I have almost 1000 rounds through it now without a single stoppage. Cleaning consists of pouring more oil on it and wiping it with a rag lol

I picked mine up off the EE second hand however. I rarely buy new guns because I'm a cheap bastard ;)
 
The only 1911 other than 45 ACP i would like is a 1911 Coonan in 357 Mag, that would be my 1911 on steroids... JP.
 
Mark-II said:
I might have to look into that. Now and then I do impulse buys. I don't always regret them ;)
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Same lol The wife must never know....
What kills me about the popularity of certain firearms is that it's usually totally dependant on the amount of legend and coverage they have in popular media, hearing and merely repeating what's been passively heard/read from Joe Gunnut. Rarely based on mechanical analysis etc If I don't personally understand and know about the design intimately or haven't had first hand experience with a firearm, I reserve judgement.

Speaking of not commonly known mechanical genius; take a look at this mechanical analysis of the Mak. design:

http://www.all4shooters.com/en/home...8mm-semi-automatic-pistol-technical-analysis/
 
Hitzy said:
The only really dated and weak link in the 1911 is the barrel link...everything else is solid.
Is there something inferior about an all steel pistol that will literally last forever with the odd wipe down with oil?
It's not the best carry or combat pistol these days, no argument there. Still sitting in the winners circles in IPSC in the form of SVI/STI here anyway. CZ and Tanfoglio haven't quite surpassed it yet. Don't forget that CZ and Tang actually make their race guns MORE like the "outdated" 1911 and remove the firing pin safety design to try and get as good of a trigger as the 100 year old pistol
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Like I said tuned 1911s are gamer guns for those that like stuff like ipsc. Majority are tuned up the wazoo and share next to no components to the original design.

One entertaining factor I found for 1911 owners while they tout the glory of jmb and the nostalogia factor nearly no one is running it with the arched mainspring housing, the rattail, or the spur hammer.

It will literally last forever? Care to show me multiple examples of 1911s in one piece at 300,000+ rounds? I can show you more than one USP that has eclipsed that mark. One is even chambered in the "holy grail" 45 acp.

saskcop said:
The 1911 is still viable. Look at the Marine's new pistol. I know they aren't issuing it to everyone, but according to many, it is still worth a look. I tend to agree. It isn't for the limp wristed folks who need a lightweight plastic gun, but it can still be seen in holsters of the informed.
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It's still viable as a gamer gun, and for collectors and posers. The 1911 was a hallmark of performance in the first two world wars, by which time it was outdone by the browning hi power. and its relevance as the premier combat handgun was over. It remained in service but the hi power was the better combat handgun. And by the time the p226 P7 came out it was really there for nostalogia.

Mark-II said:
I don't think you would call a 1911 guy a "poser" to his face.

Don't you think that we have ALL tried multiple pistols before settling in with the one that we like the best?

And it's not even nostalgia. There's class, soul, and pride of ownership, even in a cheap one. My Glocks don't give me any of those. They are hammers, and for myself shooting is about more than simply pounding nails. It is an immersive experience in all aspects.

The same can be said of those who enjoy classic patterned revolvers, or are single action aficionados, or lovers of old pattern Smiths all posers and folks lost to nostalgia too?
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Sure I would, what makes a 1911 owner so intimidating that I can't?

For me my pistols are sidearms to my rifles, they have a specific role, and I expect them to fulfill said role with exemplery reliability and longetivity while needing minimal work, ie a solid combat handgun.

And yes wheel guns are even more outdated than the 1911, and are usually used by western action star wannabes and others that want the nostalogia of running around the frontier blasting at tumbleweeds and other things.
 
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Travis Bickle said:
I never said it was superior. That's an empty statement regardless. Superior to what? In what application? It's a pointless, groundless debate.

That is but one small facet of my reasons for preferring the Makarov over the 1911 as stated. I don't hate the 1911 but it's nowhere near my prefered handgun. It's not an attack on your personal preferences so calm down your ego.
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Just poking fun back....none of these loose debates are ever personal.
If I could carry, I dunno....maybe one of the smaller glocks in 9mm. They won me over with needing next to no cleaning or maintenance, virtually rust proof, high capacity, bullet proof simple design.
Definitely ugly though...but I can't deny the reliability and durability of the design.
 
r34skyline said:
One entertaining factor I found for 1911 owners while they tout the glory of jmb and the nostalogia factor nearly no one is running it with the arched mainspring housing, the rattail, or the spur hammer.
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I'm one of the nearly no ones - lol

Love spur hammers, the arched MSH works for me (original design was flat btw) and the GI grip safety IMO is superior for shooting the thing one handed. Beaver tails benefit combat grips.
 
Mark-II said:
I'm one of the nearly no ones - lol

Love spur hammers, the arched MSH works for me (original design was flat btw) and the GI grip safety IMO is superior for shooting the thing one handed. Beaver tails benefit combat grips.
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So you aren't running the amazing original design?
 
r34skyline said:
Like I said tuned 1911s are gamer guns for those that like stuff like ipsc. Majority are tuned up the wazoo and share next to no components to the original design.

One entertaining factor I found for 1911 owners while they tout the glory of jmb and the nostalogia factor nearly no one is running it with the arched mainspring housing, the rattail, or the spur hammer.

It will literally last forever? Care to show me multiple examples of 1911s in one piece at 300,000+ rounds? I can show you more than one USP that has eclipsed that mark. One is even chambered in the "holy grail" 45 acp.



It's still viable as a gamer gun, and for collectors and posers. The 1911 was a hallmark of performance in the first two world wars, by which time it was outdone by the browning hi power. and its relevance as the premier combat handgun was over. It remained in service but the hi power was the better combat handgun. And by the time the p226 P7 came out it was really there for nostalogia.
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From the 460 Rowland thread.... Gunnar at Armco's comments.....has no problem keeping a 1911 running for 100,000+ rounds of full power loads. Plus the all steel design means it will last forever, there are guns still shooting that were made 100 years ago. Plastic will deteriorate at some point, get weak, and crack. So no plastic gun will last forever. The BHP has it's own issues as well, and does not stand up to long term high round count abuse as well as the 1911 does. Part of the reason is the .45 is a low pressure round which is easier on the gun and parts.
 
r34skyline said:
So you aren't running the amazing original design?
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How does a different shaped small part make the design or function or action etc any different? Everything is still in the same place, serves the same function...
Is a Glock gen 4 a completely different gun from the original? Or even vastly different from a gen 3?
 
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r34skyline said:
So you aren't running the amazing original design?
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Got me one of these, if that satisfies you.

I also have more modern iterations

and the arched MSH is correct for the 1911A1 style that the army adopted after WWI.

(psst - your troll is showing)
 
Its the same as how every body in the US makes an AR15. A good design that has adopted a strong following so there is room for a lot of manufactures to compete for different budget levels, and offer slightly different spins on a timeless design.

You can spend as little as sometimes $150 on a Norinco 1911, or as much as $2000-4000 for a custom Nighthawk.
 
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