Clip magazine or Hinged floor plate?

Magazine is easier.

A lot of people warned me about the "terrible" mag system of the A-bolt, but I didn't agree and picked one up when Flaherty's had them for around $650.

Five rounds of .30-06 in the gun, spare mag in my pocket, gtg. If I need to dump the mag it's easy, and if it gets opened by accident the retainer spring holds the mag in until I decide to remove it or re-snap it shut.

People claimed the system is weak, and if you smash the gun on a rock you can break/bend the magazine hinge. I don't know how other people hunt, but my wife and I haven't smashed our rifles on any rocks yet.

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Who is it that makes the detachable mag that has a hinged floor plate? that was a cool idea.
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That would be the Browning A- Bolt.However so many people disliked the magazine system that Browning did away with this system when they introduced the X -Bolt.
 
Hinged floor plate all the way! I don't know about you guys, but I have never lost a floor-plate. Have lost magazines in the deep snow (Savage 110) and it's a real pain trying to single load a round when the bottom is wide open and you're miles from the truck. Sold the savage for that reason. Also have seen severe problems with various Remingtons in getting the clip to lock in or in trying to pry it out. I know all these problems can be fixed by tuning, but I've never had a feeding problem with the hinged floor plate system.
 
I normally unload by bumping the round forward about an inch then back and out. My guns are all floorplates but blind is fine too. Although my M14 looks cool with it's 20 rounder hanging down.
 
gak said:
Magazine is easier.

A lot of people warned me about the "terrible" mag system of the A-bolt, but I didn't agree and picked one up when Flaherty's had them for around $650.

Five rounds of .30-06 in the gun, spare mag in my pocket, gtg. If I need to dump the mag it's easy, and if it gets opened by accident the retainer spring holds the mag in until I decide to remove it or re-snap it shut.

People claimed the system is weak, and if you smash the gun on a rock you can break/bend the magazine hinge. I don't know how other people hunt, but my wife and I haven't smashed our rifles on any rocks yet.

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Shoot it a few hundred times then get back to us.

Every A-Bolt or BLR I have ever owned started to have issues after a few hundred shots....Drop the mag box once and it may be all over but the crying. The feed lips are extremely delicate on most clips.

I don't understand the need for ten rounds?
 
stubblejumper said:
I don't like the crappy triggers,or the actions for that matter.I much prefer a stronger,simpler bolt action with a better trigger.
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True ....... the trigger does need some work, but they can be made much better. The action itself is pretty simple and in-fact an exact copy of the much exalted 870. They are reliable and accurate. As far as a bolt gun being stronger, the bolt on an 7600 has multiple locking lugs that lock directly into the bbl, which is the same as many bolt actions. They are very strong. I've found over the yrs that a 760/7600 rifle will digest some surprisingly hot loads with no problems at all.


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todbartell said:
probably cuz they're pieces of crap
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To many they are "crap", but most of those folks have never used one to any extent and/or live in an area where they aren't very popular. It would be very hard for those folks to show up at the rifle range with an "uncool" pump rifle and endure the scorn of their fellow shooters. It's much easier to just label them as "crap". ;)


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True ....... the trigger does need some work, but they can be made much better.
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From total crap to somewhat crap.

The action itself is pretty simple and in-fact an exact copy of the much exalted 870.
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Exalted as a shotgun action where the chamber pressures are much lower,and great accuracy is not required.

As far as a bolt gun being stronger, the bolt on an 7600 has multiple locking lugs that lock directly into the bbl, which is the same as many bolt actions.
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Bolt actions like the 710/770?Even Remington's better quality bolt actions like the 700, do not use rows of locking lugs.
 
stubblejumper said:
From total crap to somewhat crap.
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Ever try one that's been worked. I just got one back from Dennis Sorenson. I'm very pleased with it and I shoot lots of 700s and Model Sevens as well. I like good triggers as much as the next guy.

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Bolt actions like the 710/770?Even Remington's better quality bolt actions like the 700, do not use rows of locking lugs.
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There are many bolt guns out there with multiple locking lugs. The Weatherby and 788 comes to mind right off the bat and no one call those actions weak. How much hand loading have you done for a pump gun?

If you don't like them, that's fine. There are lots of guns I don't like either for no other reason than personal preference. On the other hand there are many 1000s of shooters east of you that do like the 760/7600s and they don't buy your arguments either. :)

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There are many bolt guns out there with multiple locking lugs. The Weatherby and 788 comes to mind right off the bat and no one call those actions weak.
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I have owned two Weatherby Mark V rifles,and I was not at all impressed.With nine locking lugs,it is virtually impossible to get all nine lugs to bear evenly and distribute the load evenly.One of my Mark Vs had six lugs at least partially bearing,and the other seven lugs bearing.It is much easier to get two or three locking lugs to bear evenly.

If you don't like them, that's fine. There are lots of guns I don't like either for no other reason than personal preference. On the other hand there are many 1000s of shooters east of you that do like the 760/7600s and they don't buy your arguments either.
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And it is my preference to not like pump action or lever action rifles.As far as the East /West thing goes,why do you suppose that pump action rifles are not at all common among Western big game hunters?
 
I've got a freind with a Rem. pump gun in 270. That thing soots 3/4-1" with factory ammo. At least the times I've seen it at a range. I personally like Mod. 70s and Mausers. Oh ya and Weatherbys.
 
Bash away boys, I prefer the DM, used them all my life, never lost one...And my 7600 shoots under 1" easily with my loads, but never did with factory ammo. Trigger breaks @3.5lbs...:)
 
stubblejumper said:
I have owned two Weatherby Mark V rifles,and I was not at all impressed.With nine locking lugs,it is virtually impossible to get all nine lugs to bear evenly and distribute the load evenly.One of my Mark Vs had six lugs at least partially bearing,and the other seven lugs bearing.It is much easier to get two or three locking lugs to bear evenly.
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Your point was that the 760/7600 actions were weak actions with the multiple locking lugs, thus my reference to the Weatherby actions and no one thinking them weak. My experience has not found them to be weak and I can only assume that you haven't yet loaded for a 760/7600 rifle.

Partial bearing lugs is another point you have raised. They occurrence of accurate 760/7600 rifles is very high, so this doesn't seem to be a problem.

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And it is my preference to not like pump action or lever action rifles.As far as the East /West thing goes,why do you suppose that pump action rifles are not at all common among Western big game hunters?
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Style of hunting and the difference in terrain.

Much of our hunting here in the east is not unlike upland hunting. This gives popularity to the faster actions like the lever, semi and the pump. Out west, it seem there is more spot & stalk hunting, so the bolt gun really does work better for this. It's surprising to me to know that the pumpguns are quite popular in Sask, so it's hard to tell either way why they are popular there.

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They occurrence of accurate 760/7600 rifles is very high, so this doesn't seem to be a problem.
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That depends on your definition of an accurate rifle.I won't own a rifle unless it will average less than moa out to 500 yards.My own rifles do less than 3/4 moa at 500 yards.

Much of our hunting here in the east is not unlike upland hunting. This gives popularity to the faster actions like the lever, semi and the pump. Out west, it seem there is more spot & stalk hunting, so the bolt gun really does work better for this.
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Why is a faster action required?It isn't,unless of course you don't make the first shot count.North American guides rarely use anything but bolt action rifles.Nobody depends on their rifle more than a guide.

It's surprising to me to know that the pumpguns are quite popular in Sask, so it's hard to tell either way why they are popular there.
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I grew up in Saskatchewan,and still hunt deer there.Pumps and levers were quite popular many years ago,but fewer and fewer people are now using them.Bolts actions are by far the most common action used where I hunt.
 
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That depends on your definition of an accurate rifle.I won't own a rifle unless it will average less than moa out to 500 yards.My own rifles do better than 3/4 moa at 500 yards.
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I would be quite happy with a rifle that shoots 1" @100yds with consistantcy. Many pumps will do this. I don't need a rifle that shoots 500yds.

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Why is a faster action required?It isn't,unless of course you don't make the first shot count.North American guides rarely use anything but bolt action rifles.Nobody depends on their rifle more than a guide.
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Style of hunting seems to dictate a faster action. Tradition plays on it as well as lever guns have been here for a long time. We're not talking about guides and their guns, we're talking about the regular Joe hunter and their working guns here in the east.


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I grew up in Saskatchewan,and still hunt deer there.Pumps and levers were quite popular many years ago,but fewer and fewer people are now using them.Bolts actions are by far the most common action used where I hunt.
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Bolt guns seem to be getting more & more popular here as well. Many have traded in their old 30/30 for a modern 30/06 or 270. The younger, 1st time gun buyers are very interested in the new short mags and associated bolt guns. I grew up in Ont where pumps are VERY popular, but hunt these days mostly with a Model 700. My 760 Carbine hasn't hunted for 3yrs, staying home in preference to my 700 257Roberts.

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Tradition plays on it as well as lever guns have been here for a long time. We're not talking about guides and their guns, we're talking about the regular Joe hunter and their working guns here in the east.
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Now we are getting to the truth of the matter.For many people,it's not that they need a faster action,it's more about tradition,and what their parents or grandparents used.

Bolt guns seem to be getting more & more popular here as well. Many have traded in their old 30/30 for a modern 30/06 or 270. The younger, 1st time gun buyers are very interested in the new short mags and associated bolt guns. I grew up in Ont where pumps are VERY popular, but hunt these days mostly with a Model 700. My 760 Carbine hasn't hunted for 3yrs, staying home in preference to my 700 257Roberts.
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That is what happens when tradition gives way to practicality.People are now buying more reliable,more accurate rifles,based on their current needs,rather than on tradition.
 
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