Clip magazine or Hinged floor plate?

stubblejumper said:
Now we are getting to the truth of the matter.For many people,it's not that they need a faster action,it's more about tradition,and what their parents or grandparents used.
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That could be true, and as a matter of fact I did get my first 760 from my grandfather after he died.

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That is what happens when tradition gives way to practicality. People are now buying more reliable, more accurate rifles, based on their current needs, rather than on tradition.
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That was my original point. The 760/7600s are very practical, accurate, and reliable. They would serve anyone just as well as a boltgun would. I didn't start using boltguns because I thought they were better. I just started to like them too.


How much did you say you've used or handloaded for a pumpgun? ;)


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That was my original point. The 760/7600s are very practical, accurate, and reliable. They would serve anyone just as well as a boltgun would.
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If pump actions are practical,accurate,and reliable,and they will serve ANYONE just as well as a boltgun,then why don't big game guides use them?:rolleyes:
Why are there more and more bolt action ,models being introduced,while the number of pump action models is shrinking?

Back to the original topic,bolt action hunting rifles with detachable magazines are now much more popular than in the past.
 
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X-fan said:
Drop the mag box once and it may be all over but the crying. The feed lips are extremely delicate on most clips.
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I've got a spare.:D

I don't understand the need for ten rounds?
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I don't notice the weight of a spare 4-round mag in my pocket, but I carry it anyway to keep Murphy's Law at bay.
 
stubblejumper said:
If pump actions are practical,accurate,and reliable,and they will serve ANYONE just as well as a boltgun,then why don't big game guides use them?:rolleyes:
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Some Provinces don't let a guide carry any gun, bolt or otherwise...

stubblejumper said:
Why are there more and more bolt action ,models being introduced,while the number of pump action models is shrinking?
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I would guess that the bolt is cheaper to make, less parts...


One reason the pumps and semi's were/are so popular in Ontario, is the fact that we are allowed and expected to fill each others tags. If 2 deer come running by, they both get shot, and its easier with a pump/semi. If 2 bucks ran by my watch and I let one go, I'd catch hell at camp for it!:D

That said, I like my bolt guns...:cool:
 
stubblejumper said:
Now we are getting to the truth of the matter.For many people,it's not that they need a faster action,it's more about tradition,and what their parents or grandparents used.

That is what happens when tradition gives way to practicality.People are now buying more reliable,more accurate rifles,based on their current needs,rather than on tradition.
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My dad used a semi auto 30-06 Remington...because he is a lefty, and LH bolt guns were virtually non existent back then.:)

I never had any interest in them, but I suppose one day, when I own that rifle, I will take it out and shoot a moose. Maybe I'll try to find an old box of CIL ammo to do it with.;)
 
After speaking with Mike ay Tactical Operations I have a better understabnding of why so many manufactuers use the floorplate magazine or blind magazine.
According to Mike going with a detachable magazine allows more receiver flex. This in turn can lead to decreased accuracy.
Being that this information is comming from a man who builds .25moa accuracy gurantee there must be some truth to this information.
His guarantee is the reason why I will be placing an order for one of his fine rifles this comming week.
 
X-fan said:
Shoot it a few hundred times then get back to us.

Every A-Bolt or BLR I have ever owned started to have issues after a few hundred shots....Drop the mag box once and it may be all over but the crying. The feed lips are extremely delicate on most clips.

I don't understand the need for ten rounds?
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I bet I have 2000rnds+ out of my go-to gun, a stainless stalker in 300WM. No issues whatsoever. Matter of fact, several hundred rounds were fed with a mag from a 375H&H. It allows me to seat bullets out much farther than the 300 mag. It worked just fine right out of the package, no need to tweak those "delicate" feedlips.

I also had a composite stalker in .223 that saw a lot of use in the gopher patch. No issues with that one either.

archie_james_c said:
.....Or you go to push your mag in and start walking and "plunk" mag hits the fawking ground.

That being said all of my current rifles ARE detach. magazine fed :cool:.
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Now this I don't quite understand. Although I have not seen everything, most rifles will not chamber a round unless the mag is fully inserted. Are these guys not chambering a round before they set out? Then why insert the mag?:confused:
 
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Most of my hunting rigs have had detachable mags. I took my Rem 700 LTR out this spring (hinged floorplate) and holy hell was it annoying. Didn't accidentally dump the shells but the loading and unloading was cumbersome and time consuming (and god knows I WILL accidentally dump the shells at some point, probably just before I chamber a round in front of that monster buck :( ).
 
stubblejumper said:
If pump actions are practical,accurate,and reliable,and they will serve ANYONE just as well as a boltgun,then why don't big game guides use them?:rolleyes:
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"Big game guides" make up a small demographic in comparison to the vast majority of hunters out there, besides which who gives a crap what they do? :D


stubblejumper said:
Why are there more and more bolt action ,models being introduced,while the number of pump action models is shrinking?
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Perhaps the bolt guns need replacing more often. :p
 
It has been my experience that 760/7600 rifles will shoot minute and a half out of the box with factory ammo. I've never encountered one with an intolerable trigger, yet I have come across what were purported to be good quality bolt guns with poor triggers, 2 MOA accuracy (and worse) and bedding issues.

Bolt guns continue to be my preference because of what they can be, not because of what they necessarily are out of the box. If you are a casual shooter who restricts himself to factory ammo and want an accurate off the shelf rifle with excellent handling characteristics, you could do much worse than a Remington pump. It is the one niche market that other manufacturers have not attempted to encroach upon.

To get back on topic, the magazine retention system on the 760 series is quite good, and is one of the better DBM systems available on sporting rifles.
 
timoram said:
After speaking with Mike ay Tactical Operations I have a better understabnding of why so many manufactuers use the floorplate magazine or blind magazine.
According to Mike going with a detachable magazine allows more receiver flex. This in turn can lead to decreased accuracy.
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Don't know Mike or his work, but there is so little of a difference between a 700 with a floorplate and one with a DM, that its not even worth mentioning...
 
timoram said:
According to Mike going with a detachable magazine allows more receiver flex. This in turn can lead to decreased accuracy.
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Going with any magazine, detachable or not, increases flex which is why true target rifles are single shots.

I've owned floor plate, detachable, blind box and single shot. For strictly a hunting rifle I prefer a floor plate but my two current bolt actions have detachable magazines because they are used as farm rifles and can legally be left unloaded with a detachable magazine close by.
 
joe-nwt said:
Now this I don't quite understand. Although I have not seen everything, most rifles will not chamber a round unless the mag is fully inserted. Are these guys not chambering a round before they set out? Then why insert the mag?:confused:
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Apparently they are not chambering the round. As to why...I don't know I'm not them and if I was, I'd use THEIR bodies to carry a hinged floorplate rifle muahaha.

I gotta say my Sako 85 has a pretty slick detach. mag setup though...

I also have no intentions of losing said magazine.
 
The annoying thing about hinged floors or blind mags isn't that they are slow or awkward to load and unload, it's that they leave you with 4 or 5 loose rounds rattling around in your pocket. I take one of those plastic holders that comes in some factory ammo boxes and cut it in half to hold 5 rounds. Then when I unload, I slip the shells into the plastic holder. This protects them, keeps them quite, tidy and handy.
On the other hand a detachable mag does all of that plus you can quickly load/unload the rifle without having to handle every round individually.
I have rifles with hinged floors and with clips and I do prefer the clip but they both have their merits.
 
Moose Masher said:
The annoying thing about hinged floors or blind mags isn't that they are slow or awkward to load and unload, it's that they leave you with 4 or 5 loose rounds rattling around in your pocket. I take one of those plastic holders that comes in some factory ammo boxes and cut it in half to hold 5 rounds. Then when I unload, I slip the shells into the plastic holder. This protects them, keeps them quite, tidy and handy.
On the other hand a detachable mag does all of that plus you can quickly load/unload the rifle without having to handle every round individually.
I have rifles with hinged floors and with clips and I do prefer the clip but they both have their merits.
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You can get around that in a number of different ways. Use a sling with shell loops, a cartridge pouch on your belt, a belt with cartridge loops, a buttstock shell holder..etc etc..
 
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