Do you really need a magnum

BlackRam said:
Need varies for each individual and particular circumstances.
Lets be happy that we all have the right to define need for ourselves, and support one another's right to define that need.

No two individuals may always hunt in exactly the same manner, the same environment, for the same animal, with the same rifle, cartridge and ammunition (whether it be factory loaded or handloaded). This is the reason why there is choice, and I for one am happy that we have that choice.

Some are hunters that take pleasure in the thrill and skill of the close range hunting, while others are shooters that take pleasure in the thrill and skill of long range shooting. Just because I am not a fan of long range hunting, does not mean that I should bash those that do. I admire those that take the time and effort to purchase the firearms and practice with them to acquire the skills needed to perform long range shooting. )I practice shooting at 400 and 500 yards, where the range allows for this, as I know that I must be prepared to make a long shot on wounded game in the event that things do not go as planned. It is our responsibility to make every effort to follow up and cleanly finish and bring that game home.) Just as I admire those that take the time and effort to practice the skills to hunt their chosen target animals at close range, as they must learn more about the animals and their environment, and pay more attention to how they move and what the wind is doing.

For me, I own both standard and magnum cartridge firearms. And I enjoy both; in both the shooting and hunting with these firearms and cartridges. And I am glad to have the right to choose to own and use both! And will not apologize to any for having both.
I will say that I own far more non-magnum cartridges, and as I get older (and hopefully wiser! LOL), I enjoy the ability to practice more due to reduced recoil. A large part of this has to do with the fact that many of these firearms are lever actions that are not offered in magnum calibers, and are user-friendly for us left handed shooters. Not to mention the nostalgia factor passed own from parents and grandparents, and western movies and novels enjoyed over a lifetime!

Until I found and acquired larger calibers in non-magnum cartridges in left handed rifles suitable for the larger big game animals such as moose, elk, grizzly and bison, such as the 338-06, 376 Steyr, and 9.3x62, I bought and used magnum cartridges in rifles to accomplish these tasks, such as the 270 Wby Mag, 7mm Rem Mag, 7MM STW, 300 Win Mag and WSM and 338 Win Mag. And they worked just fine. Could I have accomplished this with the 30-06; Yes. But as I am not a big fan of the grand old '06, I wanted to own and hunt with something else, and did so, with no reservations, shame or apology.

I own a 416 Taylor, and while it may not have magnum in its title, it is based on the 458 Win Mag case. Do I need it; No. But wanting one to shoot, and hunt bison, and grizzly bear, and if I ever get the chance, brown bear or cape buffalo, I look forward to hunting with it!
And yes, now that I finally own a lh 9.3x62, it probably not needed...buy I wanted one and enjoy owning and shooting it!
While I may not have owned a 416 Rigby, and I probably never will in a left handed rifle, I chose the Taylor because I could find properly headstamped brass, and it fit handily in a left handed long action with magnum bolt face.

Lets all continue to enjoy our right to choose, and support those that also have this right, even if their choice is not the same as ours!
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Wouldn’t that be nice?

However:

1. I need an American 180 - but Trudeau 1.0 banned them, to cheers from the biggest firearms association in Canada.

2. I need an AR15 for coyote hunting - but it was made restricted to the cheers of some who thought that I should use a shotgun and snow sled.

3. I need to be able to take my grandsons out in the country to shoot my handguns, because they love handguns but hate shooting ranges - but same issue as the AR15, which was supported by many trap and skeet gunners.

4. I need an AK47 because one should be well acquainted with the weapons of one’s enemies - but they were banned like the American 180, to the cheers of the same kind of #####.

5. I need to carry a pistol for protection, but I am unable to demonstrate “need,” as I have neither sufficient economic nor political clout to qualify - and it doesn’t help that much of the recreational firearms community considers that particular need, and advocating for repeal of the requirement, to be “radical and scary.”
 
CLW .45 said:
Wouldn’t that be nice?

However:

1. I need an American 180 - but Trudeau 1.0 banned them, to cheers from the biggest firearms association in Canada.

2. I need an AR15 for coyote hunting - but it was made restricted to the cheers of some who thought that I should use a shotgun and snow sled.

3. I need to be able to take my grandsons out in the country to shoot my handguns, because they love handguns but hate shooting ranges - but same issue as the AR15, which was supported by many trap and skeet gunners.

4. I need an AK47 because one should be well acquainted with the weapons of one’s enemies - but they were banned like the American 180, to the cheers of the same kind of #####.

5. I need to carry a pistol for protection, but I am unable to demonstrate “need,” as I have neither sufficient economic nor political clout to qualify - and it doesn’t help that much of the recreational firearms community considers that particular need, and advocating for repeal of the requirement, to be “radical and scary.”
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A bit harsh for the post... this isn't a political one...try another forum for the sort of thing perhaps?
 
I have had the privilege of residing in pretty decent game country all my life.
I have been an avid hunter since around age 13, and have enjoyed my time
in the field, harvesting table fare extraordinaire.

I have hunted with darn near every chambering from the 222 Remington up to the 416
Remington.

For 99.5% of all the hunting situations I have been in, a magnum chambering was not
needed. AAMOF, my longest successful shot was made with a non-magnum, the 270
Winchester.

Nevertheless, I own and shoot several chamberings designated "Magnum" As has been
so eloquently pointed out, it is seldom a matter of needs, but rather one of wants.
Regardless, I have taken several animals when I was glad I was toting one of my
magnums.
Everyone should be free to choose what accompanies him to the hunt, without any
criticism. If a hunter wants to hunt Haida Gwaii blacktails with a 458 Win Mag.....go for it!

Most of us gun "loonys" like to try something new or different anyway. :) Regards, Dave.
 
264 win mag....m1917
308 norma mag....Browning high power
300 win mag x2 Sauer and M77 hawkeye
338 win mag.....Browning Bar safari
340 wea mag Mark V
375 Rum.....M700 lss

Guess my guide gun and M1917 416 Rigby don't count.

I now live 3 ferries, 2 days drive, $1000 in fuel from Moose country. The # is shrinking, might soon have a whole safe open for ammo storage. This year I carried two, a Rossi carbine in 44mag, and a M77 mkII in 7x57.......forgot the 44 mag...lol....it's a magnum when the 45/70 and Rigby are not.
 
DGY said:
I guess it depends on what is a magnum… and so far we didn’t come to an agreement on the matter hahaha ��
Velocity wise it ain’t one… it the moose I got this year with it thought it was one!
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it was a joke. the 9.3x62 and x74r meet what we need without velocity and certainly calibers that can celebrate with champagne ...
 
medvedqc said:
it was a joke. the 9.3x62 and x74r meet what we need without velocity and certainly calibers that can celebrate with champagne ...
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I know it was!! I really like mine! I just inherited an old Mauser 98 small ring in 8x57 and looking ad some loads with 200gn bullet coming out a 2600fps I think I will be happy with that to!
 
Eagleye said:
I have had the privilege of residing in pretty decent game country all my life.
I have been an avid hunter since around age 13, and have enjoyed my time
in the field, harvesting table fare extraordinaire.

I have hunted with darn near every chambering from the 222 Remington up to the 416
Remington.

For 99.5% of all the hunting situations I have been in, a magnum chambering was not
needed. AAMOF, my longest successful shot was made with a non-magnum, the 270
Winchester.

Nevertheless, I own and shoot several chamberings designated "Magnum" As has been
so eloquently pointed out, it is seldom a matter of needs, but rather one of wants.
Regardless, I have taken several animals when I was glad I was toting one of my
magnums.
Everyone should be free to choose what accompanies him to the hunt, without any
criticism. If a hunter wants to hunt Haida Gwaii blacktails with a 458 Win Mag.....go for it!

Most of us gun "loonys" like to try something new or different anyway. :) Regards, Dave.
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I will reiterate all what you mentioned above, Eagleye. I'm also grateful that us Canadians have the freedom to purchase firearms of what we like, for Fudd's that is. You wish to hunt with a 50 BMG for deer, to for it and have fun!
 
tokguy said:
A bit harsh for the post... this isn't a political one...try another forum for the sort of thing perhaps?
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Harsh?

Where have you been?

There is nothing about firearms today that is not political.

Nor did I start the politics, I merely replied to an effusive post about our freedom to choose.

Freedom my ass!

Tell that to those who possess OIC banned rifles that have the capability to project an excess of joules.

At this stage in life, I am unlikely to need one because it is extremely unlikely that I will ever hunt dangerous game in Africa.

But, it should be my choice to do so, but it damned well isn’t.

Feel free to comment, but expect me to become somewhat abusive if you again tell me to post elsewhere.
 
Isobar1999 said:
A follow on from a conversation I had with a friend recently , he’s firmly in the magnum camp and I’m happily in the standard cartridge camp….
Do you really need a magnum or is a standard length cartridge enough for an all-round Canadian hunting rifle?
Its really an open ended question left intentionally ambiguous. Please feel free to discuss your opinions , experiences and observations for or against.
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No, you do not. The experience will teach you that. It like early arms started with .75, but now .223 is enough
 
track said:
I will reiterate all what you mentioned above, Eagleye. I'm also grateful that us Canadians have the freedom to purchase firearms of what we like, for Fudd's that is. You wish to hunt with a 50 BMG for deer, to for it and have fun!
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Can't hunt with a 50 bmg chambered biagrifle any longer. Too scary for the urbanites. - dan
 
dan belisle said:
Can't hunt with a 50 bmg chambered biagrifle any longer. Too scary for the urbanites. - dan
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I spoke to an enthusiast on Friday.In gun talk conversation, he mentioned proudly about his 460 Wby. I had the unpleasant task of informing him of the May 1 fiasco. He had no idea, and was understandably upset. I mentioned many people are in the same boat: End of May- normal June 1 prohibited. ####ty
 
If we could look back in history even the past 128 years and count the innumerable deer, moose, elk, black bear and caribou taken with the 30-30 Winchester and 303 British, never mind the 38-55, 32-40 , 300 Savage and others of similar ilk, we might start to wonder what the heck anyone ever even created a "magnum" cartridge for.
 
Black bear, grizzly bear, polar bear, bison, wild boar. On the prairies and tundra there's lots of open terrain.
Trophy deer that cannot be easily approached such as elk bighorn sheep and antelope. It's comforting to have options, especially on the last day of your hunt.
 
Brutus said:
Black bear, grizzly bear, polar bear, bison, wild boar. On the prairies and tundra there's lots of open terrain.
Trophy deer that cannot be easily approached such as elk bighorn sheep and antelope. It's comforting to have options, especially on the last day of your hunt.
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there are few people that are still using 30-30 or 300 savage for sheep over here and they make it works ...
 
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