Gun Club Qualifications?

Our club requires that you sign a document (kept on file for one year) that you have read and understand the club rules. A second such document if you use the indoor range.

We also require some training before you are allowed to wear a holstered gun anywhere on club property. Your membership card is so stamped. Why? because we have had issues with people buying those range kits - gun, holster and mag pouches, with no clue as to what the hell they are doing.

When you see someone with a loaded gun walk off the range to his vehicle to get something, it gets your attention. There is no shooting sport that allows you to leave the firing point with a loaded gun.

Members who are LEO's get 'grandfathered' and based on some of the gun handling I've witnessed from them, I think that is misplaced confidence.
 
Shalimar said:
Which ones if I may ask?
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Sharon, and target sports. But to be fair I was member at target sports before they shut down and changed ownership, so I guess in a way its really not the same club. I really did like Sharon better, but I'm not big on their requirement to buy a share in the club seems like a rip off.
 
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I don’t understand the problem here. You qualify with any club owned .22, become a member, get an ATT for any registered to your name hand gun ( they apply for it) and you practice with them, as long as the projectile you sending out isn’t made of steel or faster then 1500’ That’s all
 
New2U said:
I don’t understand the problem here. You qualify with any club owned .22, become a member, get an ATT for any registered to your name hand gun ( they apply for it) and you practice with them, as long as the projectile you sending out isn’t made of steel or faster then 1500’ That’s all
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There's a policy at the club that every caliber you want to shoot you must qualify with or with a comparable caliber
 
muddog said:
I am a range officer at all my clubs and agree with you fully, in order for you to have insurance unless the club has there own you must qualify with the CSSA standard course
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This is total crap, it only happens in Ontario. My club has NFA insurance and there is no ATT course, no probation, no test shoots, nothing. You have to go through a short orientation session the first time you go to the range, then you are on your own. Strangely enough, no one shoots the guy beside them or trashes the place even without the nanny state watching over us.


muddog said:
If you would go back and read the threads, Most clubs all have a probational period,
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Once again, no they don't. The rest of the country gets by just fine without any of this garbage. I do realize the ATT course is mandated by the Ontario CFO, but the rest of the lunacy is on the clubs, no one else.


Mark
 
mmattockx said:
This is total crap, it only happens in Ontario. My club has NFA insurance and there is no ATT course, no probation, no test shoots, nothing. You have to go through a short orientation session the first time you go to the range, then you are on your own. Strangely enough, no one shoots the guy beside them or trashes the place even without the nanny state watching over us.




Once again, no they don't. The rest of the country gets by just fine without any of this garbage. I do realize the ATT course is mandated by the Ontario CFO, but the rest of the lunacy is on the clubs, no one else.


Mark
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Agreed^^^

I am a member of 2 ranges in Ontario. I took 1 4hr CSSA ATT course (orientation) at one club. The club got my ATT and that was it. I subsequently joined another range, showed my ATT from my other club. They recognized it and immediately authorized me for restricteds WITH NO PROBATION...
 
Honestly, shooting 9x9 proves that you have gun safety in mind ? really ????????? Gun safety is 24x7 (whether you are cleaning your guns, packing your guns for range trip, and so forth ) and I hate to say this, but most of the "newbs" as you called them, are more safety consciences than some who became complacent over the years. Newbs may not shoot well, but (again) they are aware of the gun safeties.

Shalimar said:
But that is firearms safety.. it's about muzzle control and not hitting an unintended target esp for newbs. If the requirement is for them to do a 2" grouping at 15 yards.. that only discourages the newbs..

So long as they are capable of controlling the muzzle direction within reason (no swinging the firearm around etc etc of course).. and don't do damage to the "property" then that is the beginning of safe handling. Accuracy is not as important as basic safe handling to say the least esp for a newb.
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In the past 30 years I've shot and had memberships at many clubs in central/southern Ontario. I have not been out to the Aurora club in a few years now and had no idea they enforce such a ridiculous rule ? I agree with everyone else.....cut your losses and get out of there ! Alliston District Sportsmen's Club in Beeton is just a short half hour drive from Aurora (small outdoor range...no BS). Orillia Gun Cub is an hour up highway 11 (behind Epps)....great club ! Barrie also ?...not a fan tho!
 
mmattockx said:
This is total crap, it only happens in Ontario. My club has NFA insurance and there is no ATT course, no probation, no test shoots, nothing. You have to go through a short orientation session the first time you go to the range, then you are on your own. Strangely enough, no one shoots the guy beside them or trashes the place even without the nanny state watching over us.




Once again, no they don't. The rest of the country gets by just fine without any of this garbage. I do realize the ATT course is mandated by the Ontario CFO, but the rest of the lunacy is on the clubs, no one else.


Mark
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^^^^ this. Sad to see bedwetters running shooting ranges...scared to death of bully CFO's. If the CSSA is making stupid policy like that, my support for them is gone.
 
No there is not unless you are still a probationary member. Once you qualified with the .22 in your twelve shoots and you become a full member after your 12 probation shoots you get your ATT you can shoot anything.
if you happen to qualify in the first,second or earlier than your twelve shoots you can shoot their 9mm, they loan you the firearm and you can shoot that and graduate higher to another .40 then .45 just by hitting the bed sheet anywhere.
12 shoots is usually atandard at many clubs for probation. This thread makes them out to be bad club. which is not the case. Again I shoot approx 6000 rounds a yr if not more in handgun and rifle at many clubs and they have all different rules. except target. The one thing I like about aurora they have some very experience members from black powder to reloading and they are super friendly and will help you in anyway they can. I have been to other clubs where you are on your own and kind of clicky. one thing in our sport, there are no stupid questions and we are in this very very faux pas sport. WE HAVE TO STICK TOGETHER, otherwise we are soon to have no clubs and no where to shoot unless you become a mountain man and it is your lively hood. join a club get involved show people we are active responsible law abiding normal (what is normal??) canadians. we spend most of our time trying to change the regulations that has been change for us. and not expanding the sport and education it around us. Take a friend or coworker shooting and show them how much fun and relaxing hitting a target can be. and please do not bash any clubs as they have enough of a hard time surviving as is.


skip1600 said:
There's a policy at the club that every caliber you want to shoot you must qualify with or with a comparable caliber
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At my club you only pay your fee and you can shoot...but if you wanna shoot pistol you have to do the club level safety course, which is usually a one on one session with a senior member and then you perform a famil shoot with a .22 pistol and then you are golden. Then you can apply for your ATT through the club. The only reason I can think what your club is doing is just making sure your safe and have control of your firearm I can't see them saying you have to qualify for every calibre, if they are I believe they are just being anal anyways my 2 cents. good luck
 
I agree with you on that one they are fresh and very safety oriented, but no range experience, and yes you are right I have seen some other experienced shooters with some awful habits. but what you are saying is that just go to the range and shoot whatever you want down range and where your bullet goes is your business, sounds like police training. and the target is not 9x9 lol it is like 16x16 or larger, and can be anywhere on paper outside the black. one thing about aurora they have excellent shooters as when the go from the 83ft distance to the normal 50ft at most clubs it feels like no challenge.




L1911 said:
Honestly, shooting 9x9 proves that you have gun safety in mind ? really ????????? Gun safety is 24x7 (whether you are cleaning your guns, packing your guns for range trip, and so forth ) and I hate to say this, but most of the "newbs" as you called them, are more safety consciences than some who became complacent over the years. Newbs may not shoot well, but (again) they are aware of the gun safeties.
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you do not have to qualify for any caliber. after 12 shoots only within those twelve shoots with their club guns.




Rifleman700 said:
At my club you only pay your fee and you can shoot...but if you wanna shoot pistol you have to do the club level safety course, which is usually a one on one session with a senior member and then you perform a famil shoot with a .22 pistol and then you are golden. Then you can apply for your ATT through the club. The only reason I can think what your club is doing is just making sure your safe and have control of your firearm I can't see them saying you have to qualify for every calibre, if they are I believe they are just being anal anyways my 2 cents. good luck
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prices are high, at all my clubs at xmas it is a 1200.00 deal sucks. but I shoot 3 to 4 times per week so kind of pays for itself. it is not a cheap sport by no means, but it has to be the one sport where you can not get bored or stop learning.
and 90 percent of all sport shooting guys have great stories and experience to share. CGN is in my book one of the best gun clubs as we are all members and it is free.


Jonny_Cannon said:
That high price and ridiculous qualification rules sound like you live in Cambridge.

Cannon
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WTF is "12 Qualification Shoots" supposed to prove? That you can find the range? The absurdity of these rules within rules is really very amusing. If licensing and background checks don't make anyone safer, what the hell will probationary membership at a range possibly do? Qualified for what after shooting a 22 twelve times. I'm no expert, but I'm a reasonable shooter and I've never fired, or for that matter owned a 22 pistol - really, maybe I'm not qualified?
 
Sounds like the rule fanboys from the Barrie Gun Club would love this.....
This is insane. Wish people would refuse to deal with that club thus forcing them to make reasonable changes to keep their doors open.
They are also doing more harm than good for the "community"
 
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