Kodiak defence SKS-KD

I should also add, its quite difficult to find a SKS-D in Canada that hasn't been messed with in some way. To find a true full configuration one, wont be easy. (There was one not too long ago, looked nice, but someone ground off the bayonet lug.)

Some came with the bayonet lug milled down so it was just a guide for the cleaning rod.

Blade, spike and without bayonet versions, plus there are two different versions that have different mag releases. One release is the same as any other regular sks, and the other is ak like.
 
I love SKS "expert" threads. :)

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I checked with the vendor selling these rifles, and here's what I was told:

There is a significant difference between magazines designed for the AK.47-series of rifles and the 'duck bill' magazines for the SKS-D rifles. This is why we included this specification in the description on these guns.

These SKS rifles use standard non-billed AK magazines. If you have such magazines available for your Valmet rifle, they should fit the Kodiak Defence rifles without issue.

So, for what it's worth, while these aren't likely actual D's, they at least function with D (also known as AK47) mags. So, the ad's not as misrepresentative as I figured it might be. Looks like my speculation was wrong.

I actually wouldn't have a huge problem with them advertising these as they are, IF they accept actual AK mags. From the ad, though, I suspect they just take the same crappy duckbill mags that will fit any SKS.

"DETACHABLE AK STYLE ATI MAGAZINE" does not a "D" make, if it's a duckbill.

If "DETACHABLE AK STYLE ATI MAGAZINE" means an actual AK magazine made by ATI, then even though it's not an actual D, at least purchasers would be getting more or less what they expect.

I strongly suspect a lot of these will be received by buyers saying "WTF is this?! I thought I bought a model that accepts AK mags, not these stupid duckbill things!"
 
What would the M stand for on an SKS-M? What does MC5D stand for? Neither one of those are SKS-D models but do have AK detachable mags.

SKS-D clones. Just not actual SKS-D models.

That doesn't answer the question, so you don't know what the "D" stands for??
 
That doesn't answer the question, so you don't know what the "D" stands for??

Nobody does. Doesn't matter. Many will assume it means "detachable" and that might be true, it might not. Thing is, there are other letter suffixes that we don't know why they were used either. As in the M on SKS-M, or MC-5D.

Point is, "SKS-D" is a specific model of gun made in China for commercial sale, with 5 known variations in how they were delivered. And that doesn't include the M model or others with detachable mags.

Much like a C8 is only made by Colt Canada. You can clone it with milspec parts from other makers, and you can refer to it as a C8, but that clone won't be a C8.
 
Where was the alleged "D" model in service?

Did anyone say it was in service? No.

Actually it has been repeatedly stated that it was a commercial offering.

But it still has a make, and model designation. And it's own FRT number listing that make and model. The model being SKS-D.

These guns that are modified into accepting AK mags will still be Russian Tula or Izzy SKS that have been modified.

Sporterized Russian SKS. Russian is a guess, but not likely they will be anything else.
 
Which model(s)?

NVA SKS model designation is "Type 1". That is what they named theirs that they made. One model type. Chinese Type 56 M21 sks carbines were sent by China to also back up NVA production.

Russians are SKS45. Chinese are Type 56. Albanians are 56-1. Yugoslavia are M59 and M59/66 and M59/66a1. Romanian M56. NOrth Korean Type 63. East German Kararbiner-S.
 
Ok to even muddy the waters a bit more. The original idea for a SKS with a detachable AK47 mag was invented by a gun store in Michigan, Midwest Ordnance. They used an ATI folder for it. The Chinese used this idea for the model 84 and later unnamed model that dealers called the SKS-D. The D was pre-ban in the US. The M and MC-5D were post ban with monte carlo or thumbhole stocks.
 
I found this info on sksboards: (US point of view)

The Chinese SKS‑D is the “pre-ban” version that has a standard length barrel, a bayonet lug and attached spike bayonet, and a standard stock (with a steel filler plate in front of the magazine well). Actually, there is no official rifle as an SKS‑D. Since the SKS‑D has no specific markings on the receiver, dealers coined this term in order to differentiate these rifles from the fixed magazine ones. Some people continue to use the term “SKS‑D” to refer to any SKS that uses an AK magazine.

The Chinese SKS‑M is the “post-ban” version, typically with a shortened ‘Paratrooper’ barrel and without a bayonet lug. The SKS‑M was equipped with either a thumbhole style stock or a fancy Monte Carlo style stock. These will usually have either “SKS Sporter”, “SKS M”, “SKS NR”, or “MC 5D” stamped on the side of the receiver.

It has been reported that the following variations exist:

SKS Factory modified at factory taking several different factory markings and reducing the barrel to 16 inches, and shortening the bayonet. These are the “Navy” (imported by Navy Arms) or “Type 84” rifles they have a bolt hold open of either a pin or a button detent.
SKS‑D: 20-inch barrel, standard stock, detachable bayonet, with striper clip guide, and serialized with a 4-digit or 5-digit serial number and all components are marked as well. Note that the earlier units are reported to have the 5-digit serial numbers.

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SKS‑D: 20-inch barrel, standard stock, detachable bayonet, without striper clip guide, and serial numbers starting with 88 (having 7-8 digits). Some of the components on some of the rifles are not serialized. Some “88” serial numbered rifles were caught up in customs when the 1989 ban was imposed, these were required to have the bayonet mount removed before being released to the US distributor. Note: Of course, bayonet mounts have been removed for various reasons — So just because a particular rifle doesn't have a bayonet mount, doesn't mean the rifle is one of the ones that were “caught up in customs”.

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SKS‑M: Post ban type rifles with no striper clip guide, no bayonet and equipped with either a fancy Monte Stock or one of four or five different thumbhole stocks (with either wide or narrow forearms, black painted cuts in the pistol grip or with smooth pistol grip, rear sling mount at the bottom or on the side). These have serial numbers that start with the year imported. These were imported in both 16-inch and 20-inch versions. These rifles will usually have either “SKS Sporter”, “SKS NR”, or “SKS M” stamped on the side of the receiver. However, some just marked “SKS imported by <XYZ>”. The 20-inch version is very scarce. All of the 20-inch models reported to date are marked “SKS M”, have fancy Monte stocks, and have serial numbers starting with “94”.

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MC 5D: These are assumed to have been imported without any “SKS markings” to get past the ban imposed on SKS Carbines with detachable magazines by the state of California. These are equipped with a fancy Monte Carlo stock and a magazine release that looks like it’s for a standard fixed magazine rifle. Note: some folks claim this variant is stamped with “MC 50”, but those who actually own one have confirmed it is “MC 5D”.

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A number of companies provided aftermarket conversion of fixed magazine SKS Carbines to utilize AK-47 magazines. These can typically be recognized because they continue to use the standard fixed magazine SKS Carbine magazine release.

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Added category: First conversion by Midwest Ordnance. This is the one that the Chinese came over and looked at then went back and made the 84's and then the D's. It was sold in the ATI folder stock with a filler in the mag well, 20-inch barrel, and bayonet.
 
In what universe is "sks-d" a blanket term for any Chinese sks?
It IS a commonly used term for any factory Chinese sks, now this is the tricky part, THAT TAKES AK MAGAZINES. I wouldn't pull a regular configuration Chinese SKS off the shelf and flog it to a customer as a D model. Nor would I try and sell them a modified sks of any kind under the guise of it being a D model just because it has an aftermarket detacable magazine . End of discussion.
 
This is my last $125 Lever arms SKS-D . ( had 5 new in the box's)
It's in a Russian stock with Russian blade bayonet .
It would take me 10 minutes to put it back in the original stock & bayonet , not to mention the original ser # box :cool:

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