Let's see some pic's of your SxS's & O/U's
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Was going to put this pic in the hunting section but after the comments had to throw it up here ,the 1883 Dougall with its first pheasant under my watch.I will say it was not the first one that I shot at but it is the first confirmed one. cheers RD
Was going to put this pic in the hunting section but after the comments had to throw it up here ,the 1883 Dougall with its first pheasant under my watch.I will say it was not the first one that I shot at but it is the first confirmed one. cheers RD
Awesome to see RD. Made about 140 years ago and still delivering as intended. It’s in the right home
Another beautiful Westley, Jim. You have a really nice WR collection. I was a WR collector as well but they have all found new homes. My best was the droplock that now calls your gunroom home.
Bill
That's a beautiful Blaser, Rob. The stock is spectacular---good to know that the stockers in Niagara Falls do such good work.
How does the Blazer perform on clay targets? I strongly suspect I know the answer but will ask anyway.
Bill
Was going to put this pic in the hunting section but after the comments had to throw it up here ,the 1883 Dougall with its first pheasant under my watch.I will say it was not the first one that I shot at but it is the first confirmed one. cheers RD
Beautiful gun and a challenging game bird. Can't get better than that!
Bill
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Thought Jim's Westley Richards he showed a few posts back looked lonely so here's another I picked up. Checking on WR's website, the gun was made 1834-1844. I communicated with Jim on this gun and we both feel, because of the cheekpiece and rifle style trigger guard, that it was likely a custom order by a European rifleman. I will be sending for the information that Westley Richard's has in their ledger. The gun sports 30" barrels and I believe is around 18 gauge. With the barrels removed there is a small piece of wood missing near the breech where the wood is thin where it covers the lock plate. An easy fix. The bores do have some fine pitting but nothing that renders it unusable. Both locks hold at half and full #### and function beautifully. Overall, not bad for around 182 years old.
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Thought Jim's Westley Richards he showed a few posts back looked lonely so here's another I picked up. Checking on WR's website, the gun was made 1834-1844. I communicated with Jim on this gun and we both feel, because of the cheekpiece and rifle style trigger guard, that it was likely a custom order by a European rifleman. I will be sending for the information that Westley Richard's has in their ledger. The gun sports 30" barrels and I believe is around 18 gauge. With the barrels removed there is a small piece of wood missing near the breech where the wood is thin where it covers the lock plate. An easy fix. The bores do have some fine pitting but nothing that renders it unusable. Both locks hold at half and full #### and function beautifully. Overall, not bad for around 182 years old.
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For contrast Brian, my gun was made 10-15 years later, probably 1850-55 and although of similar quality and only a few years difference apart there are some noticeable changes between them. On the earlier gun note the front trigger is much shorter and straighter. This was common on flintlocks and changed to the matching sized triggers like on my gun prior to the opening of the break open cartridge era in the late 1850’s. For Westley Richards and probably others we’ve just likely narrowed this change down to 1840-50. These guns look so different but another major difference is the shape of the lock plate. The later lockplate is much narrower top to bottom, almost completely surrounded by wood. I would expect a similar difference in the internal configuration. You mention a chip of wood broken out above the lockplate where the wood is very thin, this later narrow lockplate would provide more strength here. And possibly to add more structural integrity to this apparent trouble spot, later guns like mine have a small silver plate inletted into the wood on each side. Westley Richards continued use of these locks and the silver plates on their best bar in wood cartridge hammer guns at least until 1880.
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If I'm still around James when the gun turns 200!!
Thanks for the comparison Jim. Nice to have another to compare to. One might think not too many differences existed between muzzleloaders but there sure were. Looking at yours, I can see how the changes made to the stock and lockplate were indeed an improvement. I will likely have that area of my stock dealt with.
Thanks for the comparison Jim. Nice to have another to compare to. One might think not too many differences existed between muzzleloaders but there sure were. Looking at yours, I can see how the changes made to the stock and lockplate were indeed an improvement. I will likely have that area of my stock dealt with.
Interesting to see the evolution of patterns, and it is not often you get the chance to see several to compare. Admittedly the percussion and early breech-loaders were one-off constructions, with no interchangeable parts. Workers might follow a pattern as much as possible, but any differences would be adjusted for in the final fitting together of parts, by the screwer and/or finisher.
Here is a 1865-dated Westley Richards gun with the 1862 patent:
Here is a 1866-dated Westley Richards gun, with the 1864 patent:
Here is a 1865-dated Westley Richards gun with the 1862 patent:
Here is a 1866-dated Westley Richards gun, with the 1864 patent:
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Nice---and tempting!!
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H. Clarke and Sons, The Midland Gun Works, Leicester
Not often does a person come across a British 20 gauge hammergun. This one was made between 1905 and 1908 I believe, has original (7/8 oz) nitro proofs, 28" fluid steel barrels, 14.5" length of pull. Bores and mechanicals are excellent. It is built on a true 20 gauge frame. Weight = 5lb, 7oz. I show it here alongside a similar gun in 12 gauge that I always had thought of as "svelte".
Not often does a person come across a British 20 gauge hammergun. This one was made between 1905 and 1908 I believe, has original (7/8 oz) nitro proofs, 28" fluid steel barrels, 14.5" length of pull. Bores and mechanicals are excellent. It is built on a true 20 gauge frame. Weight = 5lb, 7oz. I show it here alongside a similar gun in 12 gauge that I always had thought of as "svelte".
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That would be a nice little 20 to carry!
