Maccabee Defense SLR information and updates

no-one special said:
Can you please explain how it works, as I really don't know. I have heard of child FRTs which I assumed to be the beginning of the process but not the parent. Some actual clarity of the system would be great.
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I am not an expert, However my understanding is that for any new firearm, a FRT is issued (after verification at the Lab). That "Parent" FRT is then used as a basis for as many "child" FRT numbers, as variants are produced.

For example, the Parent FRT entry for My Restricted FS2000 is "######", and when I convert it to NR, I verify it with the CFC, and it becomes "###XXY"

in this case, The original FRT is for the firearm as imported.... the second one is related, but required another entry as the classification has changed.



Firearm X (original configuration)= Parent FRT = 123451
Firearm X (NR barrel 18.6" ) = Child FRT = 123452
Firearm X (copied by Norinco) = Child FRT = 123453

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Where is this so terrible screw located anyways? Where can I see picture or video or whatever of this rifles setup?

I mean from what little I have seen I can't tell if this screw is cause for so much fuss.

If the receivers interlock and slide into each other and a set screw holds it in shear then it sounds fine to me.

I mean we trust a few small bolts to keep helicopters together. If a few tiny screws keep me from certain death day after day I'm sure one that keeps a receiver in place will be alright
 
In front of the magwell (circled in red), I'm also assuming this is why the magwell has the profile that it does.

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Rotorwash said:
Where is this so terrible screw located anyways? Where can I see picture or video or whatever of this rifles setup?

I mean from what little I have seen I can't tell if this screw is cause for so much fuss.

If the receivers interlock and slide into each other and a set screw holds it in shear then it sounds fine to me.

I mean we trust a few small bolts to keep helicopters together. If a few tiny screws keep me from certain death day after day I'm sure one that keeps a receiver in place will be alright
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Perhaps I should rename the thread "MacDef vs Helicopter, Which One's Bolts Will Save You From Certain Death". A title like that will most certainly draw more attention.
And no, I'm not being a d!ck, I actually find it humorous how things get to this point. I agree that the screw can't be that big of a deal.
 
Man you really wanna make your head spin look up 20” ar on gun broker, even with exchange there’s some pretty impressive options on there. Also, I was thinking, anyone know if you can buy surplus parts from the Canadian forces? They run a 20” barrel primarily don’t they?
 
Lots of those bolts get undone and done up every 100 hours of flight sometimes less. That's every other week when it's busy . Lots of those recepticles are 40 years old and still tight.


If a barrel last 10,000 rounds and you give it a clean every 4-500 rounds.. I'm sure you'll shoot out your barrel before wearing out the threads on the takedown.

But I guess we will see in time.
 
Rotorwash said:
Lots of those bolts get undone and done up every 100 hours of flight sometimes less. That's every other week when it's busy . Lots of those recepticles are 40 years old and still tight.


If a barrel last 10,000 rounds and you give it a clean every 4-500 rounds.. I'm sure you'll shoot out your barrel before wearing out the threads on the takedown.

But I guess we will see in time.
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Are the screws 40 years old too? Or do they get replaced?

I'd be equally concerned with the head stripping out or snapping off completely, then you're drilling and tapping and all sorts of fun.
 
mopar guy said:
We're assuming the walls of the receiver are thick enough to handle something with a diameter larger than a 4mm screw, which they very well may not be.

And frankly, for the top of the spectrum price they are charging the end user shouldn't be expected to have to modify the receiver to such an extent.

And don't take this as a complaint on the price, $1000 is understandable for a top tier product.

It would be great if CSC or TNA could post a pic of this area of the receiver. They're happy to take everyones money, I don't think a little transparency is too much to ask.

This is starting to feel like bad business, taking deposits on a prototype that doesn't even have a finalized plan or production schedule, let alone an accurate description of the product from the designer/manufacturer.
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Hahahaha tesla is taking deposits ranging from 65 to 330k for their new roadster that has not much info or production plan about it. A $100 deposit is pretty insignificant.
 
So you're comparing some company that 8 days ago pretty much no one had heard of to Tesla?

Why would you put so much faith in Macabbee Dr Hunter? Why would CSC and TNA?

When the Canadian consumer gets burned on 9 out of 10 firearms related pre sales, what about this one is so special that you'll defend them, a company that won't even defend themselves?

Do you really think that this company is going to go from prototyping to finished product with child FRT issued in 4 months, with Christmas and Shot Show right in the middle? I hope they do, but not holding my breath.

Do you think it's good business to take people's money for a product that very well may be a year out still?

And lest we forget, they are already talking about gen 2 revisions on Instagram. Ya that doesn't at all sound like they're rushing a product out the door, does it Dr Hunter.

I'm sure you're aware of what just happened with Canam and Wanstalls yes?

And where's that second batch of BCL102s? The ones that will hopefully have ambi controls this time? I'm sure the round 1 beta testers were thrilled about that.

But who cares yeah? Sounds like a great plan. Take my money please, not like I had to work for it!
 
mopar guy said:
So you're comparing some company that 8 days ago pretty much no one had heard of to Tesla?

Why would you put so much faith in Macabbee Dr Hunter? Why would CSC and TNA?

When the Canadian consumer gets burned on 9 out of 10 firearms related pre sales, what about this one is so special that you'll defend them, a company that won't even defend themselves?

Do you really think that this company is going to go from prototyping to finished product with child FRT issued in 4 months, with Christmas and Shot Show right in the middle? I hope they do, but not holding my breath.

Do you think it's good business to take people's money for a product that very well may be a year out still?

And lest we forget, they are already talking about gen 2 revisions on Instagram. Ya that doesn't at all sound like they're rushing a product out the door, does it Dr Hunter.

I'm sure you're aware of what just happened with Canam and Wanstalls yes?

And where's that second batch of BCL102s? The ones that will hopefully have ambi controls this time? I'm sure the round 1 beta testers were thrilled about that.

But who cares yeah? Sounds like a great plan. Take my money please, not like I had to work for it!
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They already have an FRT and the pre order is only $100.Relax and don't participate if you don't want to
 
mopar guy said:
So you're comparing some company that 8 days ago pretty much no one had heard of to Tesla?

Why would you put so much faith in Macabbee Dr Hunter? Why would CSC and TNA?

When the Canadian consumer gets burned on 9 out of 10 firearms related pre sales, what about this one is so special that you'll defend them, a company that won't even defend themselves?

Do you really think that this company is going to go from prototyping to finished product with child FRT issued in 4 months, with Christmas and Shot Show right in the middle? I hope they do, but not holding my breath.

Do you think it's good business to take people's money for a product that very well may be a year out still?

And lest we forget, they are already talking about gen 2 revisions on Instagram. Ya that doesn't at all sound like they're rushing a product out the door, does it Dr Hunter.

I'm sure you're aware of what just happened with Canam and Wanstalls yes?

And where's that second batch of BCL102s? The ones that will hopefully have ambi controls this time? I'm sure the round 1 beta testers were thrilled about that.

But who cares yeah? Sounds like a great plan. Take my money please, not like I had to work for it!
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They already have an FRT and I think they'll be able to mill a chunk of aluminum by March. It's not like the modern hunter where there was a presale before frt was finalized and then having to wait for parts to come in.

I don't think this is anything like the m10x. They posted their price and found a couple dealers to sell their products at that price.

From what I've seen the bcl 102s are a month late and sfrc has been pretty forthcoming with updates. It's not perfect but more of a minor inconvenience than a disaster. It was clear in the first preorder that there would be no ambi controls, people went in knowing that.

I expect at some point there will be updates to the design of the firearm but from what I've seen I'm happy with it as is. The bolt issue doesn't bother me.

Have you never bought new house or car? I've spent hundred of thousands for products that maybe a year out.
 
mopar guy said:
So you're comparing some company that 8 days ago pretty much no one had heard of to Tesla?

Why would you put so much faith in Macabbee Dr Hunter? Why would CSC and TNA?
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I'd trust some gun guys from Alberta more than the taxpayer funded Ponzi scheme Tesla. If they don't come through I'm sure the $100 I gave TNA could go towards something else I need, it's not like it just vapourized. If you don't like it, don't get it, but why worry about it or try to discourage others? We are all adults and can make the heavy decision wether or not to park $100 with a dealer for a few months or so to see if this pans out.
 
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