NDS-18S (AR-180b) Lower Receiver

[X-man]

I honestly never thought this would get approval. I'd totally be down for an NDS milled lower once they're available. A little good news in a sea of bad.

 

[Captain_Cthulhu]

We should get a run of milled uppers from norinco via can am

 

[H Wally]

Looking at the NDS website, I note that the NDS-18S lower will also fit original 180 uppers as made in Costa Mesa, and by Howa and Sterling. The original AR-180 rifles are prohibited. Would this not make the NDS-18S an AR-180 receiver and therefore prohibited?

It shouldn't, the original uppers will work on the polymer lowers as well. There was one for sale on the EE a while back which I would have bought if my numbers for Lotto Max would have come through.

The issue being that it gives the RCMP an angle to go after them. Not a good one, and not one that makes any sense... but so it goes.

Seeing as most rulings seem to be decided on semantics or hidden behind a "public safety" shield, NDS should engrave "AR-180B-2" on their receivers to show what the receivers are for the Canadian Market. For a Canadian run of receivers it makes sense and shuts out the "argument" that it could be for something else.

 

[H Wally]

Anyone know whether these NDS receivers coming in have a non-res Classification and new FRT for them yet?

 

[CanAm]

We should get a run of milled uppers from norinco via can am

Milled would defeat the purpose. DOM tubing should suffice

 

[Deckard]

Well if it takes AR barrels and handguard it's awesome. Mill to fit 180 only.

 

[bfiles]

Milled would defeat the purpose. DOM tubing should suffice

Get us some Chinese made 180 uppers CanAm!!!!!

 

[Greenhorse six]

Looking at the NDS website, I note that the NDS-18S lower will also fit original 180 uppers as made in Costa Mesa, and by Howa and Sterling. The original AR-180 rifles are prohibited. Would this not make the NDS-18S an AR-180 receiver and therefore prohibited?

It shouldn't , as The new NDS-18S is a direct replacement for the factory AR-180B polymer lower receiver with the"B" fire control group ,But ,You will have to acquire "B" style FCG parts .

 

[CanAm]

Get us some Chinese made 180 uppers CanAm!!!!!

Easier to make here or the us

 

[Dorian Gray]

Easier to make here or the us

But would they be cost prohibitive if they were domestically sourced?

 

[Deckard]

Easy sell if we could build it up. Cool if it used cut down AR bolt carrier. Look at Daewoo for some inspiration.

 

[CanAm]

But would they be cost prohibitive if they were domestically sourced?

not really.

 

[H Wally]

Milled would defeat the purpose. DOM tubing should suffice

Easier to make here or the us

I've been thinking this could spur some domestic production - having more Canadian manufacturers and keeping money flowing in Canada will only help our community.

 

[Dorian Gray]

not really.

Just spitballin' here but if you were going to put a whole upper together, what do you think would be a do-able end price for something like that?

 

[CanAm]

Just spitballin' here but if you were going to put a whole upper together, what do you think would be a do-able end price for something like that?

not some i will spitball here, sorry

 

[Dorian Gray]

not some i will spitball here, sorry

That's fair and i understand why. I'm just trying to figure out how much an entire rifle might cost to put together.

 

[robab]

If anyone can hit the mark on about $1000 price point for complete rifles I'm sure they would move like hot cakes.

 

[Armedsask]

Just spitballin' here but if you were going to put a whole upper together, what do you think would be a do-able end price for something like that?

Zero study, numbers out of my butt, probably at least $1500. Likely more depending on number. I could be totally wrong though.

Price could be reduced by using off the shelf parts if possible.

 

[Mike@NDS]

The only component that could possibly be bought "off the shelf" would be the "B" style handguards from Armalite Geneseo.

I have tried to get a response from the new management several times to no avail.


The upper has A LOT of parts that would have to be made from scratch. This would take time and lots of money.

I know this is not a "B" but you get the idea.

 

[Armedsask]

Mike, I was thinking more along the lines of AR15 bolts and barrels. This would require a custom bolt carrier and re-designed gas system, but using common bolts and barrels could make the project a little cheaper.

While this wouldn't be an "AR180" upper, it could possibly be made compatible. I'll have to check my drawings again to see if an AR15 barrel nut could work with the AR180 type lowers. If I recall, I don't think there is room, but I could be wrong.