Ontario IPSC Classification
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As I understand it, the match directors will be encouraged to incorporate ICS stages into matches. Master and Grand Master class shooters will be encouraged to shoot these stages. ICS results will be compiled within Ontario and classifications generated from the results.
There seemed to be some confusion and controversy about the use of ICS. What I gather is that because there is a fee and requirement to register to actually get an ICS classification, some had issues with it. Quigley expained that enrollment was entirely optional, and people who choose not to enroll will still be getting an Ontario only classification.
At the same time, there seemed to be a strong encouragement to actively promote the ICS system so members get a national and internationally recognized classification.
In my humble opinion, while this may not be the perfect system, it does serve to eliminate the problem of guys like me who've shot a fair number of geographicly diverse matches, and still can't get classified.
There seemed to be some confusion and controversy about the use of ICS. What I gather is that because there is a fee and requirement to register to actually get an ICS classification, some had issues with it. Quigley expained that enrollment was entirely optional, and people who choose not to enroll will still be getting an Ontario only classification.
At the same time, there seemed to be a strong encouragement to actively promote the ICS system so members get a national and internationally recognized classification.
In my humble opinion, while this may not be the perfect system, it does serve to eliminate the problem of guys like me who've shot a fair number of geographicly diverse matches, and still can't get classified.
Correct.. If the members complain that they don't have a classifier, it's because their club (or any they visit ) are not putting on the ICS stages.
Don't forget about the "sanctioning" as well.. Any level 1 match can now be a full classifier match (regardless of who shows up to shoot, or how the top performers shoot) if it contains ICS stages and is a sanctioned match (and an "all ICS" match is automatically sanctioned)
Just to clarify.. the ICS results will only be used from ONTARIO shooters to determine the ontario ranking for the stages. That will be the "ontario only" classification..
If a shooter wants a national ranking (and has an ICS alias) , they can have the option at MATCH time, to pay the extra $3 /stage to have them registered with IPSC (world), and get the full ICS registration and ranking.
(They will actually get both, the ICS stage will be used as the full ICS , and the ontario only as well)
that sums it up..
I'll try and get the minutes of the AGM out in the next week or so...and I'll provide as much detail as I can. There are still a few things that need to be ironed out...but the info provided in the above posts gives you the general idea.
many thanks to Dom, Karl, John, Darryl and Mike for participating on the committe that reviewed the current system and made this recomendation...
many thanks to Dom, Karl, John, Darryl and Mike for participating on the committe that reviewed the current system and made this recomendation...
Does that mean that for such match we don't need GM + M + 10 shooters for that match to be a classifier?
It will be the individual stages that will be used for the classifiction...not the overall match result. The stage results will be compared against data alreday in the Database...so it won't matter if no GM's or M's shoot the stages at that particular match...they will already have stage results in the database...
The question of making certain march results also part of the classifiction came up at the AGM...those details (along with things like weighting and how exactly the results will float) will have to be worked out by the committee...
Anyway...the details will be posted on our website for all members to view, once the info is available.
Ah, in other words it will be measured against Ontario GMs shoot the same stages. I wonder how long those GMs results will be kept?
Does the new system mean that the old match-based system is retired now? Perhaps I should stop asking questions and instead wait for details to be published...
Thanks guys.
There is not perfect solution to classification formula.
If were up to me, I would make one central for whole Canada.
It will start at Nationals. This is far best match in Canada.
Whoever makes GM it will be recognized as a GM for the whole country,or Master, A and so on.
When one of the shooter from Ontario decides to go to BC to shoot Level II
match and there is GM/M shooting he shall be getting his classification.
In old system to get classified we need to have GM and M, and Master should
shoot 90% of the winner. I hope this will be changed, there a new shooters coming
to IPSC who are classified lower but win constantly with M or even GM.
Another thing which should be changed is classification down. If a shooter is classified as a A and shoot like C, he should be downgraded once a year.
CLC stages are great idea and should be incorporated in every Level III match and
encouraged to be set for Level II.
My two cents,
Greetings
There is not perfect solution to classification formula.
If were up to me, I would make one central for whole Canada.
It will start at Nationals. This is far best match in Canada.
Whoever makes GM it will be recognized as a GM for the whole country,or Master, A and so on.
When one of the shooter from Ontario decides to go to BC to shoot Level II
match and there is GM/M shooting he shall be getting his classification.
In old system to get classified we need to have GM and M, and Master should
shoot 90% of the winner. I hope this will be changed, there a new shooters coming
to IPSC who are classified lower but win constantly with M or even GM.
Another thing which should be changed is classification down. If a shooter is classified as a A and shoot like C, he should be downgraded once a year.
CLC stages are great idea and should be incorporated in every Level III match and
encouraged to be set for Level II.
My two cents,
Greetings
Pat,
with all the respect to your opinion.
If we have two competitors. One year they run 100m flat at 9.8sec, they both classify for the Olympics, if one of them will have a bad year and run 10.3sec, he will watch it in TV.
Same in IPSC. If I shoot good and get to certain classification I deserve it, however if I stop being serious about the sport, I neglect practices and my scores go down, I don't deserve to stay at previous year level.
with all the respect to your opinion.
If we have two competitors. One year they run 100m flat at 9.8sec, they both classify for the Olympics, if one of them will have a bad year and run 10.3sec, he will watch it in TV.
Same in IPSC. If I shoot good and get to certain classification I deserve it, however if I stop being serious about the sport, I neglect practices and my scores go down, I don't deserve to stay at previous year level.
So you would like to have a Classifiction system based around at match that about 10% of the members of Canada actually shoot? Better yet...a match that could only accomodate...at best...15% of the total members of IPSC Canada (and that would be a stretch) ???
Yes,
usually at Nationals there are best Canadians shooters. Whoever scores between 95-100% is a true GM and so on.
Then we can get one universal classification system for whole country.
It will spread quick. We will shoot in our provinces against present GM or Masters and we could be classified more evenly.
Including CLC stages is a great idea, this will bring us up with international shooters.
You know...it's funny....we sent out several emails...and even a few calls in Sitrep...for people to participate on the committe to review Classifictions. It was also discussed at the 2008 AGM. Everyone knew what was going on. You chose not to participate...but now that the decisions have been made...you want to voice an opinion.
Sadly typicall...and too late. It is what it is...time to move on
You know...it's funny....we sent out several emails...and even a few calls in Sitrep...for people to participate on the committe to review Classifictions. It was also discussed at the 2008 AGM. Everyone knew what was going on. You chose not to participate...but now that the decisions have been made...you want to voice an opinion.
Sadly typicall...and too late. It is what it is...time to move on
O Gee,
I am not trying to hijack anything and what I say will not fly, because is to broad, to big, involves all regions in Canada. I voice my opinion, that is all I can, not typical like you say, just my God given right to speak. This is not official IPSC forum just CGN, we can discuss pretty well anything
.Also, I have no idea what was proposed or ratified for new system, still waiting to see it. When I approached someone to explained new classification system, no one want to tell me nothing, which I guess is good, (wait till final announcement).
I don't remember ..."and even few calls in Sitrep"... rather I know, that some people were chosen to work on improving the system.
Quigley, I am not here to criticize, not my intention at all, just voice my opinion what I think would be better and maybe in the future IPSC Canada can come with one system for all shooters in this country.
Greetings
I shot with you at the Prov's... I think all you did was practise for 6 or 7 years....damn sandbagger!!!!!!!
But, at least you aren't in my division.
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no true good system that'll work nationally
Peter's suggestion is not a bad one, if i understood it ..... but problem is... there's only one true Gm in Canada....and he can't be at level 2's in other province's to help them be classed accordingly....and having shooters be classified because there are two M shooters at the match shooting ove 90% of match points......well, is still same problem....shooters there will still actually be classified higher than their true ability....and if they were to shoot at a match where others where classified accordingly due to their scores counting against Mike's......so, no real solution to make it a perfect system, unless mike clones a few more of him and they live in each ipsc province...
I mean no disrepsect to our other top shooters, of which I love and admire and their great shooters 
but no ones ever finished higher than this year at 92% to Mike at level 3's I've seen scores to....if they have...oops, kudos to them, they are GM's.
That said, for Canada the other top guys are truley great shooters and makes sense to consider them GM's for Canada and go from there....but it still would require those few amazing shooters to come out to more level 2's for everyone else to get classified....which I hope they do...but we can't force them....some prefer to shoot in US, cause apparently, they have better matches......and i believe that to be true.....
so let's hope the system works itself out and we're classed with in reason to what are ability is and have LOTS OF FUN BLAST'N
PS. to what papacap said in other post....I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting a medal you won at a match to specify the class and position, eg. " 2M " or whatever....no point in being happy to hang an award with no description....no name is one thing as they are given on the spot....but for what seems just a little important...if not mistaken, the few I've won in past and that's only a few ... did mention it....so why can't they still ? ?
my 2.5 cens
Cheers
Peter's suggestion is not a bad one, if i understood it ..... but problem is... there's only one true Gm in Canada....and he can't be at level 2's in other province's to help them be classed accordingly....and having shooters be classified because there are two M shooters at the match shooting ove 90% of match points......well, is still same problem....shooters there will still actually be classified higher than their true ability....and if they were to shoot at a match where others where classified accordingly due to their scores counting against Mike's......so, no real solution to make it a perfect system, unless mike clones a few more of him and they live in each ipsc province...
I mean no disrepsect to our other top shooters, of which I love and admire
and their great shooters but no ones ever finished higher than this year at 92% to Mike at level 3's I've seen scores to....if they have...oops, kudos to them, they are GM's.
That said, for Canada the other top guys are truley great shooters and makes sense to consider them GM's for Canada and go from there....but it still would require those few amazing shooters to come out to more level 2's for everyone else to get classified....which I hope they do...but we can't force them....some prefer to shoot in US, cause apparently, they have better matches......and i believe that to be true.....
so let's hope the system works itself out and we're classed with in reason to what are ability is and have LOTS OF FUN BLAST'N
PS. to what papacap said in other post....I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting a medal you won at a match to specify the class and position, eg. " 2M " or whatever....no point in being happy to hang an award with no description....no name is one thing as they are given on the spot....but for what seems just a little important...if not mistaken, the few I've won in past and that's only a few
... did mention it....so why can't they still ? ?my 2.5 cens
Cheers
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