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Very cool. Thanks for sharing!
4307 said:
My Grandfather was a pilot / navigator. He then flew a transport glider mission to Crete, transporting radar equipment along with the enigma machine. His mission changed to command the radar base. He was in charge of the enigma code machine that was later destroyed along with the base (demolition). The next order was to march back to Germany to fight the Russians.
His memoir describes the Enigma in great detail.

This is a photo from my grandfathers plane he piloted. Photo taken by the gunner/recon photographer. I posted this in another thread not to long ago

Fliegergruppe Cottbus, Staffel II, 19/10.35 (19/10/1935)
Pre-war monoplanes: Heinkel He-46c reconnaissance fighter, aka: "the flying cloths line". Unarmed in this photo.
location of the photo: Fürth Germany.

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Dark Alley Dan said:
Holy hell, that's a lot of jawing in a pic thread, more so in one ostensibly dedicated to WW2 pics and conversation about them.

Here, look at this.

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As a dedicated cyclist, I find perverse pleasure in this... :)
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Brooks Saddle!!! The weapon of A$$ destruction. I ride one of those as well.
 
fraserdw said:
"Enigma Pinch" theory

Research undertaken over a 15-year period by military historian David O'Keefe uncovered 100,000 pages of classified British military archival files that documented a "pinch" mission overseen by Ian Fleming (best known later as author of the James Bond action espionage books), that coincided with the Dieppe Raid. No. 30 Commandos were sent into Dieppe to steal one of the new German 4-rotor Enigma code machines, plus associated code books and rotor setting sheets. The Naval Intelligence Division (NID) planned the "pinch" raid with the intention to pass such items to cryptanalysts at Bletchley Park to assist with the Ultra project.[32] The presence of other troops landing at Dieppe was to provide support and create a distraction for the commando units attempting to reach the German admiralty headquarters and capture the Enigma machine.

The introduction of a 4th rotor in 1942 was preventing cryptanalysis of the German naval Enigma, and led to a strong resurgence in German U-Boat attacks on the vital Atlantic convoys coming from North America. Thus the Allies were eager to get their hands on one to discover (and exploit) any weaknesses in the new system. However, the raid was a failure and no machine was obtained. The new German naval Enigma code was not cracked until December of that year and was of the most serious concern, as Britain would have literally starved without the food-stocks arriving by naval convoy.
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It's a nice story, but I'm sceptical. The last thing we wanted to do was capture an Enigma machine in way that the Germans knew it had been captured, which is what a land seizure at Dieppe would have revealed.

One had already been captured from a U-Boat without the Germans finding out.

Doenitz had two in depth reviews conducted because he and others had suspicions that Enigma was insecure, due to our successes against U-Boats, but the technical experts assured him it was totally impossible etc. etc. Und die experten hat immer recht!

Men and ships were deliberately sacrificed to protect Ultra. The Canadians were deliberately sacrificed at Dieppe for other reasons.

Huff-Duff, radar and other technical counter-measures were what killed the Uboats. Enigma allowed convoys to be routed around them, but once a wolf-pack made contact with a convoy, Enigma had little or nothing to do with the outcome.
 
I tend to agree.
In my father's view.
Dieppe was a test of the enemy's reaction and strength, and of the effectiveness of the raid itself.
The other big reason, is that uncle Joe Stalin was screaming for the allies to open another front.
Another front would force Hitler to Divert troops from Stalingrad and send them to Europe instead.
Apparently this tactic was successful. Uncle Joe caught a break.
Many of the lessons learned at Dieppe, were carried over to the D-Day invasion.
FWIW. My father despised Mountbatten.
RRCo. said:
It's a nice story, but I'm sceptical. The last thing we wanted to do was capture an Enigma machine in way that the Germans knew it had been captured, which is what a land seizure at Dieppe would have revealed.

One had already been captured from a U-Boat without the Germans finding out.

Doenitz had two in depth reviews conducted because he and others had suspicions that Enigma was insecure, due to our successes against U-Boats, but the technical experts assured him it was totally impossible etc. etc. Und die experten hat immer recht!

Men and ships were deliberately sacrificed to protect Ultra. The Canadians were deliberately sacrificed at Dieppe for other reasons.

Huff-Duff, radar and other technical counter-measures were what killed the Uboats. Enigma allowed convoys to be routed around them, but once a wolf-pack made contact with a convoy, Enigma had little or nothing to do with the outcome.
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Some specialist outfit from the Bergen frames on the fronts of the bikes. Large coils of rope on the 4th back and what appears to be mortar or PIAT rounds in cardboard cases on two others. I believe those vests they are wearing were disposable and held three Bren mags in each pocket. Made of dark blue denim IIRC, with duffle coat type closures. I remember seeing a bunch of them in a Quonset hut in England back in the 80s.

Notice the "boarding tags" hanging off two of them: probably to get them loaded in the right ship or plane. Could be an glider-borne force, "Air Landing Regiments" I think they were called.
 
Halger280HVMag said:
I tend to agree.
In my father's view.
Dieppe was a test of the enemy's reaction and strength, and of the effectiveness of the raid itself.
The other big reason, is that uncle Joe Stalin was screaming for the allies to open another front.
Another front would force Hitler to Divert troops from Stalingrad and send them to Europe instead.
Apparently this tactic was successful. Uncle Joe caught a break.
Many of the lessons learned at Dieppe, were carried over to the D-Day invasion.
FWIW. My father despised Mountbatten.
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That was VERY common among Dieppe veterans! Apparently when he appeared at a dinner in Toronto that featured Dieppe veterans years later ... he was "booed"!
 
"Enigma Pinch" theory

Research undertaken over a 15-year period by military historian David O'Keefe uncovered 100,000 pages of classified British military archival files that documented a "pinch" mission overseen by Ian Fleming (best known later as author of the James Bond action espionage books), that coincided with the Dieppe Raid. No. 30 Commandos were sent into Dieppe to steal one of the new German 4-rotor Enigma code machines, plus associated code books and rotor setting sheets. The Naval Intelligence Division (NID) planned the "pinch" raid with the intention to pass such items to cryptanalysts at Bletchley Park to assist with the Ultra project.[32] The presence of other troops landing at Dieppe was to provide support and create a distraction for the commando units attempting to reach the German admiralty headquarters and capture the Enigma machine.

The introduction of a 4th rotor in 1942 was preventing cryptanalysis of the German naval Enigma, and led to a strong resurgence in German U-Boat attacks on the vital Atlantic convoys coming from North America. Thus the Allies were eager to get their hands on one to discover (and exploit) any weaknesses in the new system. However, the raid was a failure and no machine was obtained. The new German naval Enigma code was not cracked until December of that year and was of the most serious concern, as Britain would have literally starved without the food-stocks arriving by naval convoy.
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Ian Fleming was well acquainted with Canadians and had trained in Toronto and Camp "X" ... he was also well acquainted with the Enigma machine and the story of its capture which was "buried" under the "Official Secrets Act". He circumvented the "Act" (and probably beat several of his colleagues "to the punch" in anticipating publication of their memoirs) by writing "From Russia With Love" - well before the Official Secrets Act period expired - of course we know that From Russia With Love featured at the core of the store the capture of a "Russian" code machine. Coincidence? I think not!!

Some will also find it interesting where Ian Fleming "got" the name "James Bond" for his iconic character!
 
RRCo. said:
It's a nice story, but I'm sceptical. The last thing we wanted to do was capture an Enigma machine in way that the Germans knew it had been captured, which is what a land seizure at Dieppe would have revealed.

One had already been captured from a U-Boat without the Germans finding out.

Doenitz had two in depth reviews conducted because he and others had suspicions that Enigma was insecure, due to our successes against U-Boats, but the technical experts assured him it was totally impossible etc. etc. Und die experten hat immer recht!

Men and ships were deliberately sacrificed to protect Ultra. The Canadians were deliberately sacrificed at Dieppe for other reasons.

Huff-Duff, radar and other technical counter-measures were what killed the Uboats. Enigma allowed convoys to be routed around them, but once a wolf-pack made contact with a convoy, Enigma had little or nothing to do with the outcome.
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I await your book debunking the theory.
 
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Automobile Association bicycle scouts in procession on their way to Liverpool Street Station, en route to camp, September 1914.
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RRCo. said:
It's a nice story, but I'm sceptical. The last thing we wanted to do was capture an Enigma machine in way that the Germans knew it had been captured, which is what a land seizure at Dieppe would have revealed.

One had already been captured from a U-Boat without the Germans finding out.

Doenitz had two in depth reviews conducted because he and others had suspicions that Enigma was insecure, due to our successes against U-Boats, but the technical experts assured him it was totally impossible etc. etc. Und die experten hat immer recht!

Men and ships were deliberately sacrificed to protect Ultra. The Canadians were deliberately sacrificed at Dieppe for other reasons.

Huff-Duff, radar and other technical counter-measures were what killed the Uboats. Enigma allowed convoys to be routed around them, but once a wolf-pack made contact with a convoy, Enigma had little or nothing to do with the outcome.
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Coventry and Wolverhampton were sacrificed to protect Ultra, along with a lot of other stuff. Check out "Bodyguard of Lies" by Anthony Cave Brown vol 1&2. All about the deception operations in WW2.
 
Dark Alley Dan said:
Until this morning, I had never heard of Operations "Ironclad" and "Streamline Jane", the British invasion of Madagascar, May 5, 1943. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Madagascar

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Looks like a pretty calm affair, replete with Navy lads in their adorable tropical whites...:) "Welcome to Madagascar, sir. Would you care for a drink?"
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"adorable tropical whites and offers of a drink" all in the same reply???? I will never meet you in a "dark alley" dad.
 
AP said:
Ian Fleming was well acquainted with Canadians and had trained in Toronto and Camp "X" ... he was also well acquainted with the Enigma machine and the story of its capture which was "buried" under the "Official Secrets Act". He circumvented the "Act" (and probably beat several of his colleagues "to the punch" in anticipating publication of their memoirs) by writing "From Russia With Love" - well before the Official Secrets Act period expired - of course we know that From Russia With Love featured at the core of the store the capture of a "Russian" code machine. Coincidence? I think not!!

Some will also find it interesting where Ian Fleming "got" the name "James Bond" for his iconic character!
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I believe that Fleming was searching for a totally bland, obscure name. He saw an ornithologist's book...written by a James Bond.

The rest is history!
 
Rule 303 said:
I believe that Fleming was searching for a totally bland, obscure name. He saw an ornithologist's book...written by a James Bond.

The rest is history!
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well that might be correct .... but be aware that
Fleming spent some time here before moving on to Camp X:http://militarybruce.com/abandoned-canadian-military-bases/abandoned-bases/ontario/
the training that he apparently participated in and the activities at this establishment were not to be disclosed

Interestingly this location just happened to be a few feet up the street from here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._James-Bond_Church


there is a lot that novelists, who have had access to "confidential" information, don't usually expose -- for various reasons - and Britain had some interesting laws to prevent this (my favorite being the "Treachery Act" )


(coincidence? yeah...sure!)
 
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