ohhhh oh no that m10x dmr is awesome and I was completely unaware of this thing do you know what you have done now I have to have that piece of s#*t and do this all over again cuz I'm an idiot and I never learn THANKS BLACKVOID!!!
Oh, you better not look to see how much those sell for in the US before buying one here or you'll have a sh!tfit seeing how much we're getting arse-raped here to have a DMR safety and an extra inch and a half of barrel.
Looks like a good rifle but the CEO of the company is a douchbag and the price is too high (in my opinion) for a rifle like that. People whine that TI probably only paid $200 per unit and sells them for $1000, I would bet M+M only has $500 into each rifle before adding the F Canadians tax and the import costs.
Wow, the poor spelling, grammar and punctuation makes your post unbearable to decipher. Nevertheless I have managed to figure it out.
Selling out a pre order(as indicated by TI, not a verified fact) is hardly an indicator of quality. It simply indicates that a fool and his money are soon parted. Like most products available today they are absolute garbage and suck people in by the boat load. Have a look at the "As seen on TV" stores in the mall, almost entirely gimmicks. In the shooting community alone we've had the Type 81, Type 97, Rhineland Arms, NEA rifles, That weird Ak bolt action gong show, The M1 Garands that were garage built, the list goes on.
The belief that scarcity somehow equates to increased value is a pipe dream. You must have demand coupled with a slim supply for prices to climb. There is no demand for these rifles outside the initial investors who paid up front. No demand, no value regardless of supply. Your anecdotal example of people grossly over paying for 858's is nothing but proof that a fool and his money are soon parted. The 858's are excellent rifles but they are not worth $2000.
I'm not sure Norinco can guarantee the sun will come up tomorrow let alone a "flawless" rifle of any design. Do we know if Norinco has blueprints for the Type 81or if they have standards of any sort?? Lets not kid ourselves as this isn't the first Norinco product to show signs of poor quality and craftsmanship accompanied by an endless list of problems.. See a trend???
I can argue none of this, my only comment is to add to it.
Have none of you ever bought a Norinco or Poly rifle before? What the hell were you expecting? Anyone with any sense does not buy a rifle made in China and expect it to be flawless or even high quality. These are cheap, reliable bullet hoses and a slightly "bent" receiver will not change that. These are probably the exact same quality as the ones issued to PLA soldiers but they just took them into battle rather than trying to find fault with them. I'm glad TI has a restocking fee because from the pics I've seen most of the rifles people are nit-picking and sending back with tears rolling down their butt-hurt cheeks are perfectly functional and are only flawed if you expect them to rival North American made rifles.
Will these rise in "value" or "cost"? I doubt that very much, these are collector nothing and I predict they will settle in at around $700 on the EE or if another batch is imported. They COST $1000 because of all the guys who jumped on the pre-order early, just like every other rifle out there like the 102, the M10x, APC, etc, if you jump on and just throw your money at the first price they give out you will pay top dollar. If you guys had shown interest but said the price was too high they would have tried again with a lower price. This can be repeated until the importer reaches a price they feel no longer covers their margin and it is no longer worth their time or effort. Have none of you ever negotiated a price before?
Why do you think the Pre-Order has become so popular the last couple years? Because it's a great way for a retailer/importer to get maximum profits, they don't do it for us, it's all about making the most money possible. If you think the pre-order financed the buy you don't know shat, they can always take out a loan to finance it, that's what banks do for businesses who need money to make money.
Being mad at TI for charging $1000 for these is just stupid, no one forced you to buy one, you all volunteered to pay $1000 for a rifle made in China from a company we've all seen products from. Every Norc 1911 I've owned has needed a file to smooth out the sharp edges and every M305/M14 I've owned has needed a little fitting to get things lined up correctly. Why would anyone expect anything different with the Type-81?
Guys seem to think $1000 is a lot of money for a semi auto, well wake up people, look around. What else can you buy for $1000? A T-97, or a Kel-Tec, and everyone complains about those.
Put away your lasers and micrometers and just go shoot your rifle, they're very smooth shooting and are a lot of fun. Sitting around crying that it's not perfect is just silly, these are a splitting axe not a scalpel, treat them as such and you'll be much happier.
Or a BCL 102 and save a few hundred
LMFAO! I would bet that buying an NEA/BCL would give you even less chance of getting a perfect rifle than buying Norinco/Poly, the only difference is that NEA/BCL has a warranty.
