Savage 10TR le/military

I need 30.7MOA with my .308, 11.3MRAD with my 6.5x47, and 25.4MOA with my .338LM.

I think a good quality (doesn't have to be 300$) 20MOA rail would be smart.
 
TRDJer said:
For those of you who have shot out to 1000, how many Moa/mil's of adjustment are you needing to make on your scope from a 100 yrd zero? While my scope is out for warranty repair I'm wondering if it's a good idea to put a 20 MOA base on. From my 100 yrd zero I've got 30.5 moa of adjustment left.
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I managed to shoot 1000m with hold over only. It's between 12-13mils depending on which bullet I load and the temperature.
On my last trip out my setup with 20MOA of cant was enough to dial for 1000m. At 1330m I ran out of adjustment so now I have 40MOA of cant. This setup should hopefully get me out to 1 Mile by maxing out my elevation and holding over a little.
 
jadam said:
I posted this over in the gunsmithing section, but since there seems (sorry, haven't the enthusiasm at the moment to read all 929 posts in this thread!!!) to be some chamber hinkiness going on with the 10 TR, perhaps someone can relate how they resolved what I'm seeing with my Savage 10 FCP-SR in .308 Win.

I’ve just recently acquired a Hornady straight OAL gauge in an effort to improve the performance of the reloads I am making and found some very puzzling results that seem to indicate I have a VERY short freebore.

Using the OAL gauge with appropriate modified case and a Sierra Match King 175 grain bullet I get readings from the base of the case to the ogive of ~2.121”. Using a Hornady AMAX 168 grain bullet I get ~2.107" and with a Hornady Match 168 grain bullet I get ~2.112”. (This seems reasonable given the varied shapes of the bullets.)

I decided to measure a set of five 175 grain Federal Gold Medal Match (which use Sierra Match King 175 grain bullets I believe) reading ~2.206” and these definitely jam into the lands a good way. Difficult to measure, but I would venture the assumed 0.085" (i.e., 2.206" - 2.121”) is not far off.

Since the Federal Gold Medal Match COAL is a smidge under 2.800” I’m therefore looking at about 2.715” COAL to use the 175 grain Sierra Match King in an effort to just kiss the lands, which frankly seems a bit strange.

Is there any history of odd chambering on this series of rifles? I did find a post somewhere where someone indicated that Savage occasionally uses a .308 Obermeyer reamer and this sounds a lot like it might be the case here (shorter freebore.)

What really concerns me is a staggering amount of jam into the lands with a common commercial load – roughly 1/12”!! That just cannot be correct, can it?

Should I refrain from firing the rifle until it is inspected? I’ve got 600+ rounds down the pipe, including GMMs with all my fingers and toes accounted for, so I guess this isn’t a timebomb, but being limited to a 2.715" COAL without jamming seems off.

Said rifle is now making the trip to Grech for a look see. Any idea how long that might take?
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To further the Savage short chamber discussion, I have a 10TR and 10FP, both 308. Using Hornady's LNL OAL gauge, the 10TR measured 2.0960" OAL with a SMK .308 Win 168 Grain. My 10FP measured 2.0915.
Measuring 10x Federal Gold Medal Match .308 Win 168 Grain my average OAL was 2.2230". SO, they are jamming into the lands by 0.134" / 0.138". Running one of these into the chamber and extracting you can clearly see rifling marks...
Jadam, let us know when you get yours back from Grech...
 
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55308 said:
To further the Savage short chamber discussion, I have a 10TR and 10FP, both 308. Using Hornady's LNL OAL gauge, the 10TR measured 2.0960" OAL with a SMK .308 Win 168 Grain. My 10FP measured 2.0915.
Measuring 10x Federal Gold Medal Match .308 Win 168 Grain my average OAL was 2.2230". SO, they are jamming into the lands by 0.134" / 0.138". Running one of these into the chamber and extracting you can clearly see rifling marks...
Jadam, let us know when you get yours back from Grech...
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You keep saying OAL which is overall length of cartridge with bullet....there is no way your OAL is that short....
 
baggy270 said:
You keep saying OAL which is overall length of cartridge with bullet....there is no way your OAL is that short....
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Talking OAL and meaning from tip of bullet to base of case is almost meaningless as what they are talking about is where the bulge of the bullet (not the tip) interfaces with the lands of the barrel.
Different bullets will have a differing measurement from the ogive (bulge) to the tip. So when you want to get serious about reloading OAL you talk about OAL to the ogive not the tip of the bullet.

It's like being at school. You get taught the simple answer first (COAL - tip to base) then when you get a few years on you learn that it's a case of "yes, but...." And then OAL becomes about the ogive to the base.

Hope that made sense? I'm still green at this so may be off course. Still only using COAL for my reloading.
 
BioPace said:
Talking OAL and meaning from tip of bullet to base of case is almost meaningless as what they are talking about is where the bulge of the bullet (not the tip) interfaces with the lands of the barrel.
Different bullets will have a differing measurement from the ogive (bulge) to the tip. So when you want to get serious about reloading OAL you talk about OAL to the ogive not the tip of the bullet.

It's like being at school. You get taught the simple answer first (COAL - tip to base) then when you get a few years on you learn that it's a case of "yes, but...." And then OAL becomes about the ogive to the base.

Hope that made sense? I'm still green at this so may be off course. Still only using COAL for my reloading.
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What you said is true. It's not a "bulge" but rather a transition from taper to flat.

A set of ogive measuring tools is not all that much form hornady or Sinclair.

Having said that, many of us have shot very small groups using COAL vs CBTO (cartridge base to ogive) measurements.
 
Sorry not trying to be an arse just proper terminology....I'm a little anal....more than a little according to my wife. Didn't mean to come across as a web troll. I think you are right that the 10TR must have a very short leade and yes every bullet design will be different. I had no luck with the Federal gold match. I too have noticed the bolt hard to close on certain reloads and factory rounds. Guess everyone has to find their rifle's happy place. I'm more than a few years on...57 unfortunately. Been reloading for at least 30 years.
 
BioPace said:
Bump just to point out these are under $720 tax and shipping in right now from SFRC. Wondering if I should order two..
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Why not! Sfrc treated the guys with bent barrels right( sadly I got mine somewhere else) so you would be safe,, good price considering the dollar! Soon as you get them shoot them, just to make sure they are true!
 
Thinking of drinking the coolaid as SFRC has these for sale at 699 plus the 10% summer discount at moment, should i go for the 20' or 24'? Pros and cons of either length? I doubt ill ever get past 900M and this will be a range gun only so no need to drag it out in the bush.
Thoughts??
 
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