Savage 210F Sniper shotgun (targets are up !!!)

Sluggin

Well, I'm back from the range and with no result from the 300m shoot. WIND has caused the delay, we are experiencing 25-35 km per hour gusts, so it would be a waste of ammo in my opinion. I wouldn't take a shot with any calibre in that wind at a deer, so what would be the point. It figures that when I have something planned I get screwed.

I did try out the new Winchester SSP123 ammo at 100 yards for the heck of it. Hopefully it was the wind (I doubt it), but once again I am unimpressed with Winchester slugs. Best I could do was 4.25" groups at 100 yards. To say it plainly, that sucks. I did take my Remington 870 Express 20 gauge and banged off 1.75" groups (Federal Barnes Expanders) at 100 yards.

Hopefully the wind quits soon and I can get back out to complete the task.
My hopes have faded along with the Winchester SSP123's accuracy for 300m. From what it did at 100 yards the best I could guess that it would get is 12 to 14 inch groups. The 300m contest is still on, just need less wind.

Arch:)
 
That definetely does suck, I was rooting for you arch :D However, keep in mind that the gun is still brand new and the barrel most likely isn't broken in yet, which may be a contributing factor. Also, perhaps you could give the 2.75" SSP12 slugs a try, or the Hornady SST polymer tip slugs that SIR sells (they're cheaper than the winchesters, too!). I think you've got a solid platform and the physics seem to support the theory of 300m slug gun, so I'm glad you're not giving up :D Go get 'em!
 
Wrong Way said:
My mossberg SSi-one (argueably the most accurate slug gun made....heavy barrel)
Ryan
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Savage 210F Slug Warrior is the most accurate slugger out there IMO, I have seen them go toe to toe with the Mossberg and it was not even close. Arch, use the Ultra Core Lok's, Big Redd recomended them to me and I found them to be the best so far. Can't wait to try the Hornady ammo!!!!
 
Some interesting reading here: http://www.gun-tests.com/performance/mar97tack.html. He's a benchrest shooter who's getting tiny groups @ 100m, but no word on longer shots.

I'm being a bit facetious here in talking about loads, but there's an element of 'because physics says so' too. I guarantee you can get more performance out of that 12-gauge hull capacity, than you can with any existing factory load. If you pack a 3" hull with Retumbo* and put a sabot on top loaded with a single 250-grain .338 Accubond, you'll hit something at 300 yards. Please don't do that, but you get my point.

The question is pressure--can you get the performance you need w/o radically exceeding 11,500psi? Another question might be: how much pressure can the Savage action tolerate? Or: how attached are you to 'seeing' and 'touching things with your fingers'?

I'm definitely not saying that a pumpkin slug with BC of .113 and a 26" drop is my load of choice for 300 yard deer hunts. But with the right projectile and the right powder, and enough tolerance for dangerously stupid loading practices, anything is possible.







*do not pack a 3" hull with Retumbo
 
Sluggin

Hi, I don't believe I can use 2 3/4" shells in the Savage. The barrel is marked 3" shells. If so this limits me for the use of some factory ammo. The Rem Core Lokts are 2 3/4". I am going to pick up some Federal P151XS, Remington PR12MCS and Winchester SS123. I realize the barrel will need a break in period. I'll shoot some slower slugs, perhaps the SSP123's are to fast to properley get the spin on the sabot out of the barrel.

I know that with the Mossberg 835 I had, the 1400 - 1500 fps slugs worked much better than the 1800+ slugs. As for a recoil pad, when I am at the range I use my Benchmaster. This really takes a lot of recoil of the gun. I shot 55 rounds of 12 gauge and 20 gauge slugs today and my shoulder is really good.

I am ordering some reloading stuff for slugs and found a 300 grain hp sabot that I can use with the 12 gauge. Dropping another 85 grains off the bullet may improve things (or not):rolleyes: . I will endeavour to attain my objective. You know me, once I get a goal in mind, I won't quit until I've reached it (no matter what expense).

I have got to thinking though, could a fellow utilise muzzle loading bullets in a sabot to acheive better trajectory and stability. The polymer tip type, like the new Hornady (2 3/4") slug should have a definate advantage over the other factory hp's that are offered.

More thought, more work, more money....:D :D :D

Arch:)
 
SharpCdn said:
Another useful thing to consider is having the trigger tweaked by your gunsmith. It can safely be lowered to a nice ~4 pounds without any stoning or other modifications, just an adjustment of the spring tension. I actually did mine as per some instructions I found online. The trigger is the same as found on the 110 (pre-accutrigger). I can't find the link, but it is really important to not go too far with the adjustment. If you are a type who gets carried away with light triggers...have a smith do it for you.
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I think this is the one you're talking about :D
Savage 110 Trigger Adjustment

I've never gotten around to doing this procedure on my 111, but I've heard through the grapevine that it does make a huge difference. The link also describes a dry fire trigger break-in excercise, which I'm also meaning to try. Just from reading through the trigger adjustment procedure though, I'd say a good set of vernier calipers and feeler gauges in good shape would make the whole mess a bit easier to deal with. I'd also reccommend using blue flavor Loctite (removable), just in case :cool:
 
arch1965 said:
Hi, I don't believe I can use 2 3/4" shells in the Savage. The barrel is marked 3" shells. If so this limits me for the use of some factory ammo. The Rem Core Lokts are 2 3/4".
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You can definetely use 2.75" shells in a 3" chamber, but in the interest of accuracy it's probably not a good idea, especially if the forcing cone in your 210F is very abrupt (as most modern shotguns are). A gunsmith could extend and polish the forcing cone for you (this is a common mod for trap shooters), but he may be limited due to the rifling in the barrel, depending on where it starts.
arch1965 said:
I have got to thinking though, could a fellow utilise muzzle loading bullets in a sabot to acheive better trajectory and stability. The polymer tip type, like the new Hornady (2 3/4") slug should have a definate advantage over the other factory hp's that are offered.
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I can't remember where I read it, otherwise I'd post the link, but there was a page somewhere with in-depth data from a guy who disassembled an SSP12 round (among others) to inspect the components and play with them. The slug is apparently a .50 cal hollowpoint, which means that muzzleloader bullets would work, provided you can find the right size sabots. So I'd have to say yes, it's possible, and I think you should try it and post the results :D
 
Wrong Way said:
3. Heres the big one: That slug, at that velocity, is only gona stay supersonic for about 115 yds. What does this mean? The deer is gonna hear the shot before the slug gets there. Kinda like "jumping a bowstring". but on a larger scale. As close as I can figure, the deer will have about a 2.5 second warning....and if he's skittish, that's more than enough.
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A Winchester Partition Gold 3" slug gets to 300m in 0.597 sec.

A standard 1oz Winchester rifled slug at 1760fps gets to 300m in 0.957sec

Ain't gonna be no "jumping the bowstring".;)
 
Well, I would not suggest chambering an old Cooey 12 guage for the 12 gauge from hell, but I like the concept, with the drawback of the primers not being available north of the border, even cut back to 3 inches or 2 3/4 inches, perhaps bushed to take shotgun primers, would make really hell for stout brass. In fact, the Viet Cong liked the concept very much too, about 40 years ago. I remember perusing one of the US Army manuals about improvised/booby trap weapons the Viet Cong fielded, there was a picture of a cut down .50 cal brass casing that had been cut down and the rim peened out to fit in a 12 guage. Don't know how this would feed in a pump action though.
 
Good question, how's the slug sniping experiment arch?

I must confess, this thread partially inspired me to get a bolt-action shotgun of my own :redface: It's an old smoothbore Stevens, so I'm planning on using it for smoothbore slugs and not sabot slugs. I'm not looking for or expecting pinpoint accuracy or 2" groups at 200m, it's more for ####s & giggles than anything else. Keep us posted, arch!
 
arch1965 said:
Well, I'm back from the range and with no result from the 300m shoot. WIND has caused the delay, we are experiencing 25-35 km per hour gusts, so it would be a waste of ammo in my opinion. I wouldn't take a shot with any calibre in that wind at a deer, so what would be the point. It figures that when I have something planned I get screwed.

I did try out the new Winchester SSP123 ammo at 100 yards for the heck of it. Hopefully it was the wind (I doubt it), but once again I am unimpressed with Winchester slugs. Best I could do was 4.25" groups at 100 yards. To say it plainly, that sucks. I did take my Remington 870 Express 20 gauge and banged off 1.75" groups (Federal Barnes Expanders) at 100 yards.

Hopefully the wind quits soon and I can get back out to complete the task.
My hopes have faded along with the Winchester SSP123's accuracy for 300m. From what it did at 100 yards the best I could guess that it would get is 12 to 14 inch groups. The 300m contest is still on, just need less wind.

Arch:)
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So....it's been three weeks.....who won the scope?:D :D :D
 
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