Sig550 Vs Xcr
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I can't believe that this thread is still going.
I dare anyone to take 10 XCR's and 10 SAN's (Or 10 LMT's) to the range and run them hard. By hard I mean training with 30rd mags on semi, burst and full auto to a tune of 800 to 1000 rounds at day. In short, serious training with the guns getting hot.
The XCR's will fall apart. The SAN's, LMT's, 416's will keep running.
If you don't know this and want to keep posting about how great the XCR is you are uninformed and an amateur.
Rich
PS: I happen to like the XCR and think it's a cool gun. Just don't put it in the same league as these others...please.
I dare anyone to take 10 XCR's and 10 SAN's (Or 10 LMT's) to the range and run them hard. By hard I mean training with 30rd mags on semi, burst and full auto to a tune of 800 to 1000 rounds at day. In short, serious training with the guns getting hot.
The XCR's will fall apart. The SAN's, LMT's, 416's will keep running.
If you don't know this and want to keep posting about how great the XCR is you are uninformed and an amateur.
Rich
PS: I happen to like the XCR and think it's a cool gun. Just don't put it in the same league as these others...please.
But, I have put 100 rounds through my XCR, and it still works, its clearly a design which is atleast on par with teh SAN made rifles.
Seriously people. No one is saying you dont have a cool rifle. But arguing its somehow better than a swiss arms rifle is simply ridiculous. ALL rifles, handguns etc, WILL break, its just a matter of how and when. And in those terms the SAN will simply out perform.
I dont know why people are so hardcore about their favorite firearms manufacturer.
Throttle_monkey1
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I guess the thousand rounds I ran through m xcr in one day doesn't count cuz it was in 10rd mags? Or when I ran 1500 rds through my cz858 and melted my gun case doesn't count. Tell you what. You bing the ammo, you can run the #### out of my xcr. If it craps out, I will shut up. I'll even load mags for you.
I guess I am uninformed and amateur.
I could give a flying monkeys ass about the other rifles mentioned. I gave you my experience with the XCR. I have only owned 2 AR's and tried 1 180B. I had my best experience of those with the XCR. With the new trigger coming out before Christmas,..I will not have much to complain about.NO need to #### on other people. I research all my purchases before I buy. The XCR is a decent rifle, and IN MY EXPERIENCE,..it worked great.
I don't see how you can even say your 4th sentence.... who are you and what gives you the informed opinion and professional knowledge? That is one of the most asinine statements I have ever read.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T2oJta2YLc&feature=related
I have seen 10.5 and 16" LMT #### the bed and I have seen PE90's not work for a crap. Does this make those guns unworthy or not "in the same league as the others?" for hard use? I don't think so.
Prove to me that the XCR will fall appart? Has it happened to you?
Stop being a troll.
I guess I am uninformed and amateur.
NO need to s**t on other people. I research all my purchases before I buy. The XCR is a decent rifle, and IN MY EXPERIENCE,..it worked great.
Now, there is a thought that I can agree with.
I have never owned either rifle...but I might get one. All of this crap about putting it through serious training, ie. 30 rd mags, auto and burst fire
.What country do you live in?? Or I should say what planet are you from? As for the "are you willing to bet yet life on it" folks...If you are in
that category, you aren't buying your own stuff. It seems to me that there is a serious unwillingness of some folks(fudds) to even consider
that something new or un-proven might be just as good. Some people hate new things, new experiences....some people thrive on it.
Its called personality.
Dude. You just exposed yourself as ignorant. We can't do full auto or 30 round mags. This is Canada. I'll give you a hint, look at the URL of this forum. It's called Canadian Gun Nutz.
Now can you please show me your proof about XCR's falling apart and SAN and LMT rocking out problem free under your conditions? Oh that's right your not basing your opinion on experience. Your just mouthing off based on your own prejudices. And you have the balls to call us uninformed and amateurs? Balsy, but stoopid. That's right. Stoopid with two "o"s.
The once case I have heard of anecdotally was that extractors came apart at one training course. I call these dolts on not disassembling and reassembling a NIB rifle making sure everything is tight. This does not reflect bad on the XCR, it exposes the users are careless fools. No gun should ever be fired NIB without a good dissasembly, cleaning, lube reassembly.
I get the feeling that the nay sayers here are either attacking the XCR out of small minded fear of the new like above, or just have some personal grudge based on some aesthetic reason.
I think you're over the top in defending the XCR because in your heart-of-hearts you feel its a Rosie O'Donnell.
Do you think you're going to convince anybody of anything by ranting? How about letting it rest...Take the day off and go shoot.
Do you think readers are better served by hearing biased and illogical rants against a fine gun. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I think those that are considering the gun, need to hear both sides. I am not alone. Lots of people like the XCR. How about you let it rest and let the people who care about the discussion have their say. If you don't like it, stop reading.
Sorry guys,
But yes I do have the ability to shoot burst and full auto right here in Canada and do it at least twice a month.
Break out of your world and explore some of the experience and training being conducted in some of the top rated schools in the US. This is one of the venues were they run combat rifles very hard during training. What you will learn is that any weapon can break. What you will also learn is that some proven weapons systems take the abuse better than others and keep going. Many brands do not and this includes some of the low-quality AR products as well as the XCR.
This may break your heart but many of these schools do not accept non military / police students so you will have to listen to the experience of those who have done it.
Once again, people in the know, know that the XCR isn't in the same class as the FN SCAR, HK 416, SG 551 and good Colt Canada / LMT AR's. Now I know that your personal XCR has run thousands of rounds and is "bullet proof" (as many members have posted) Thats great. Now take 10 or 20 of them and run them hard against 10 or 20 of the other top-rated weapons listed and you will see many more problems out of the XCRs.
Now I happen to like the XCR but know it's not quite in the same class as the other weapons listed.
Rich
But yes I do have the ability to shoot burst and full auto right here in Canada and do it at least twice a month.
Break out of your world and explore some of the experience and training being conducted in some of the top rated schools in the US. This is one of the venues were they run combat rifles very hard during training. What you will learn is that any weapon can break. What you will also learn is that some proven weapons systems take the abuse better than others and keep going. Many brands do not and this includes some of the low-quality AR products as well as the XCR.
This may break your heart but many of these schools do not accept non military / police students so you will have to listen to the experience of those who have done it.
Once again, people in the know, know that the XCR isn't in the same class as the FN SCAR, HK 416, SG 551 and good Colt Canada / LMT AR's. Now I know that your personal XCR has run thousands of rounds and is "bullet proof" (as many members have posted) Thats great. Now take 10 or 20 of them and run them hard against 10 or 20 of the other top-rated weapons listed and you will see many more problems out of the XCRs.
Now I happen to like the XCR but know it's not quite in the same class as the other weapons listed.
Rich
I could be wrong, but isn't the 229 built in the US by Sig Sauer, formerly SigArms? I don't consider the US built stuff to be of the same quality as actual Swiss stuff. Look at the Sig 556 as a case in point.
Getting back to the root of the issue though, selection of firearms is always a very personal choice. There are no wrong choices, as the only person you have to ultimately please is yourself!
Guys who own XCRs are entitled to like/love their rifles, just as Swiss Arms or AR enthusiasts are as well. Everyone has different tastes, likes/dislikes, requirements and budgets. As I said before, you don't have to tear down one gun just because you like another type/model/brand. Each to his/her own & good shooting all 'round!
Or maybe, just maybe, their opinions are based on experience, use, and failure of the system.
I had an XCR, I wasn't impressed. I sold it too a friend, and we broke it the first time out.
There is a reason a M4 clocks at 5.9lb empty while a G36K with 2" less barrel still hovers at 6.6lb - that is made mostly out of plastic too. I am frigging weak - every oz counts if I have to hold on to the darn thing. The AR15 system makes the most economic use of volume and mass. That's why people moan and complain, but then all the special forces around the world ended up buying M16s instead of running FAMAS, SA80,AUG, CEMTE-L, G3, Beryl, and AR70/90.
BTW, SA80A2 and G36 all use multi-lug system and spring loaded ejector. Oh that includes FN2000 too - how about AUG??? of course, HK416
