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There is zero evidence that the Soviet gave the chinese used equipment.

The Chinese paid dearly out of their backsides and went in a full scale social, economic, and nearly political collapse in order to quickly pay off their debts to the Soviets. (Google: The Great Leap Catastrophe).

Given the tremedous cost to the Chinese -- near collapse, famine and 50-60million deathsthat resulted from the payment of those debts -- it's far more likely that the Chinese demanded brand new machinery. Or at the very least, equally as likely.
 
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I have no doubts that post 1956 SKS production employed both hardwood and laminate stocks straight from the factory.

Which factory or depot built these late guns? That is not known. Could it be Tula? Yes. Could it be a depot or some other source? Yes.

As for the tooling situation etc., my guess is as good as any other because we simply do not know.

But what I know is post 56 rifles can be found with original hardwood or laminate, and be NON-refurbs.
 
pcvando said:
I have no doubts that post 1956 SKS production employed both hardwood and laminate stocks straight from the factory.

Which factory or depot built these late guns? That is not known. Could it be Tula? Yes. Could it be a depot or some other source? Yes.

As for the tooling situation etc., my guess is as good as any other because we simply do not know.

But what I know is post 56 rifles can be found with original hardwood or laminate, and be NON-refurbs.
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Would you care to share the photgraphic evidence of all the supposed original condition, post 1955 carbines with Tula stars on the stock? Hardwood or Laminate. It doesn't matter. Just original condition , Д, И, and K carbines with Tula Stars on the butt stock.
 
I have no doubts that post 1956 SKS production employed both hardwood and laminate stocks straight from the factory
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Your kinda telling a half-truth. The transitional guns, 56, and 57 were indeed hardwood. 58 however were laminated. However, nobody believes there was a hard transition on Jan 1st, so its possible to have a hardwood on an early K. What you seem to be intentionally overlooking is that even the fist letter guns didn't have the Tula stamp. Again, the Tula cover stamp, and stock stamp were all completely and intentionally omitted as clearly seen in the transitional specimens.
 
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Horilka, an all original, unissued carbine will have a matching EP serials on the piston shaft and on the piston tube. No signs of paint, reblue or previous serial number.

Any particular reason why you've never posted a single photo of either of those parts since you acquired the carbine 4 years ago?
 
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Your kinda telling a half-truth. The transitional guns, 56, and 57 were indeed hardwood. 58 however were laminated. However, nobody believes there was a hard transition on Jan 1st, so its possible to have a hardwood on an early K. What you seem to be intentionally overlooking is that even the fist letter guns didn't have the Tula stamp. Again, the Tula receiver stamp, cover stamp, and stock stamp were all completely and intentionally omitted as clearly seen in the transitional specimens.
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Boris Badinov said:
Would you care to share the photgraphic evidence of all the supposed original condition, post 1955 carbines with Tula stars on the stock? Hardwood or Laminate. It doesn't matter. Just original condition , Д, И, and K carbines with Tula Stars on the butt stock.
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Wait, I think I am not being clear, I am only referring to laminate and hardwood stocks.

I am saying both hardwood and laminate stocks were used post 1956. I have no comment about the star, that is separate. Horilka's is the first I have seen with it.
 
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Your kinda telling a half-truth. The transitional guns, 56, and 57 were indeed hardwood. 58 however were laminated. However, nobody believes there was a hard transition on Jan 1st, so its possible to have a hardwood on an early K. What you seem to be intentionally overlooking is that even the fist letter guns didn't have the Tula stamp. Again, the Tula receiver stamp, cover stamp, and stock stamp were all completely and intentionally omitted as clearly seen in the transitional specimens.
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Tula star on letter series is not a common, and you correctly stated why. Except I don't agree with your classification of "transitional". There are three periods of SKS production - deploying on 1948-1949, mass production 1950-1955 and ramping down (or some believe it might have been restart) of 1956-1958. Regardless of what was it, they were heavily tapping into NOS parts. Saving and reusing of what was available is the characteristic of third period. That makes letter series very unique.

Boris Badinov said:
Horilka, an all original rifle, unissued carbine will have a matching EP serials on the piston shaft and on the piston tube. No signs of paint, reblue or previous serial number.

Any particular reason why you've never posted a single photo of either of those parts since you acquired the carbine 4 years ago?
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Because I am behind this conspiracy and faking of SKS :) You simply are not paying attention to what I say. I noticed it many times in this thread.

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I'm one of the few Canadians that don't have SKS in collection. Had some of them for trade, studied....
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"Had a couple to study, therefore I am the self designator of all that is or isn't"

Gimme a freaking break man, and your takedown lever issue is likely another indication of REFURB! God have mercy if you ever attempt to write a book or something with your half baked conclusions that are obviously based on false facts.

Who was it that stated they opened many crates and why wasn't my question addressed regarding it?
 
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"Had a couple to study, therefore I am the self designator of all that is or isn't"

Gimme a freaking break man, and your takedown lever issue is likely another indication of REFURB! God have mercy if you ever attempt to write a book or something with your half baked conclusions that are obviously based on false facts.

Who was it that stated they opened many crates and why wasn't my question addressed regarding it?
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It was a momentarily glitch of mine about lever, I remembered it wrong, several years passed since 2015, it was another earlier part that is commonly spotted on letter series.

But I will give you break bud, take your time to read stickies on your forum, apparently you are surprised that hardwood topic was already covered there and you're just bad learner. You also might want to improve you manners.

P.S. Apparently I confused you with Boris, how come you have similar manners?
 
Laff,. when did I say hardwood wasn't used on letter guns??

Calls himself "big mouth' then points a finger claiming manner violations. Are you a leftist, or just a narcissist?
 
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Laff,. when did I say hardwood wasn't used on letter guns??

Calls himself "big mouth' then points a finger claiming manner violations. Are you a leftist, or just a narcissist?
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Both, actually you might add that I'm vegan, liberal, and anti-gun. You snapped easily.

You never said hardwood wasn't used on letter series. This is where I confused you and Boris. See? I can acknowledge my mistakes.

You're _demanding_ answers and even don't know who you're addressing. You're calling names. Not nice, buddy.
 
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Tula star on letter series is not a common, You simply are not paying attention to what I say. I noticed it many times in this thread.
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So far you've said quite a bit that makes little to no sense at all. So you'll have to forgive me if I chose not to commit to memory every single thing that you have said.

So, you are no longer able to take photos of those parts because you no longer have the rifle. But this carbine that you've touted as a matching, and all original gun for the past four years, you never even once bothered to photograph every serial number as proof that it was an all matching rifle? Not even for the individual that you sold it to?

If that's your explanation, then you're hiding something.

Does anyone not see how extremely fishy that sounds? Especially given his own concerns four years ago that the rifle might be a refurb?

If that's your explanation it reeks of motive.
 
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