So if you consider yourself in the bottom 15% of shooters, and you can't see shyte through the Zeiss, I can only deduct that the type 97 is an inherently accurate rifle design? I mean those groups wouls be impressive for a match grade semi auto let alone a lightly modified type 97 with over 20k rounds through the pipe.
These are sub MOA ten shot groups we are talking about here:Your thoughts please.
Your thoughts please.
Those groups are VERY inconsistent.
I know 18 year olds that can kick my arse any time
(at least 50 of them).
About the scope:
Member 22S_I says that I can’t do without high magnification.
That is about right.
I can never have too much magnification if I shoot for groups.
For me, the idea of “high magnification”
starts when I can see the texture of the paper.
That is when I shoot for groups.
Otherwise, when I’m plinking
(ex. gongs, steel silhouette, etc.)
any scope bigger than 4x would do.
The scope used on this target was
a borrowed custom-build Zeiss with
variable power (but it is not a “Diavari” model)
up to 24x, cranked on max.
Diameter is 85mm, it does a good job in filling the space with
the front lens which comes down close to the top
of the handguard of the 97.
Whoever ordered it with that kind
of reticle (heavy duplex with mildots)
must have had some un-known and perverted purpose in mind,
since I can’t see shyte.
The duplex is very-very heavy (thick)
and the mildots are big like meatballs.
The reticle covers a lot of the target
and I was kind of guessing when shooting.
For 100m I prefer the simplest and thinnest reticle possible
without graduations or mildots
(since I use other procedures if I have to “hold”).
One more thing about the scopes on the 97.
It is very important that the shooter makes
all the efforts to level the gun (eliminate the cant).
I cannot emphasize enough how important
the leveling is when shooting for groups,
since the huge distance between the
axis of the bore and axis of the scope.
I used 2 levels alternatively in addition to the internal one
the scope came with.
The slightest cant will open the groups big time.
Me shooting:
I am not what 22Short_Improved says about me.
I do have flyers, more or less, depending on the situation.
I have wrecked groups (that were large enough already)
with flyers against all odds.
Whenever you have a large group and you believe that you
can’t fcuk it up any farther, send it to me, I may prove otherwise.
I find it very very hard to benchrest
that particular rifle and bullpups in general.
They were built with CQB in mind, no target purposes.
I used stands for the forend
and sandbags for my elbows, etc.
(I learned it while shooting some other short guns).
It can take a while (few thousands shots)
to get used to benched bullpups
My upper body and both my arms
are wrapped around the rifle.
It is a very awful position
(just imagine an octopus raping a small cat).
