Georgian Pistol
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Public Works is trying to do the same thing with the CAF Pistol Program. Colt doesn't have a design to fit the requirements but will still be the manufacturer under 'technology transfer'.
The New Canadian Ranger Rifle
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Public Works is trying to do the same thing with the CAF Pistol Program. Colt doesn't have a design to fit the requirements but will still be the manufacturer under 'technology transfer'.
Interesting. I had heard that it failed on account that Ruger would not license the design to Colt, that they wanted to manufacture in the US and then export.
Which is a shame. I served up in Yellowknife for a couple of years and while I wasn't a Ranger instructor myself, I went on six Ranger patrols, and from my perspective the Ruger Scout would have been an awesome choice (assuming that .308 is absolutely mandatory, I would have suggested something more powerful that's already in service like .300 Win Mag).
But if .308 is absolutely going to be the cartridge, then the Ruger Scout would be my choice, but with a metal trigger guard. Big clunky Mauser actions just love the cold.
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As much as I like Ruger . I think what there getting is much better. And the fact that Colt Canada sells ar15’s now ,will probably open the door ,for other products in the future . I have my fingers and toes crossed.
This subject always seems to get lots of passionate attention. 
I assume that Colt is going to clone some existing action like a Remington or Mauser derivative (Like winchester/Ruger etc) and add a detach magazine and a laminated stock. Much like the Ruger Scout rifle.
Since there are detach magazine systems for many bolt actions, this really can't be so complicated. Well, except government is involved
I assume that Colt is going to clone some existing action like a Remington or Mauser derivative (Like winchester/Ruger etc) and add a detach magazine and a laminated stock. Much like the Ruger Scout rifle.
Since there are detach magazine systems for many bolt actions, this really can't be so complicated. Well, except government is involved
No kidding. An ar would not survive a week! Plastic wil break quite easy in -40 bouncing around in the back of a toboggan. Biggest appliction is hunting and predator control so .223 is a horrible choice.
The Colt rifle is nearly 3x as much as the Ruger, and Ruger would make any changes necessary to the gun to satisfy their requirement . In fact they released a plastic stocked version at Shot this year.
I actually am the one who alerted Ruger to the impending contract 4 years ago.
My contact at Ruger told me at SHOT this year that the contract was completely mired in Political BS with the "Made in Canada" point being the biggest deal breaker.
It seems that politicians would rather pay Colt 3 times more for the guns and have them only assembled in Canada than pay Ruger to import them and have a solid source of spares for life.
The gun is already proven in every scenario from CQB to Long Range shooting. All they have to do is get over the politics of it.
I have been watching this for 4 years and nothing other than a bunch of talk has happened yet,,, and by now the entire contract could have been fulfilled and everybody would be happy with their new guns.
But NOoooo!
Politics is the Science of Self Perpetuating BS! How people feel that this is useful to a society is beyond me.
Randy
I actually am the one who alerted Ruger to the impending contract 4 years ago.
My contact at Ruger told me at SHOT this year that the contract was completely mired in Political BS with the "Made in Canada" point being the biggest deal breaker.
It seems that politicians would rather pay Colt 3 times more for the guns and have them only assembled in Canada than pay Ruger to import them and have a solid source of spares for life.
The gun is already proven in every scenario from CQB to Long Range shooting. All they have to do is get over the politics of it.
I have been watching this for 4 years and nothing other than a bunch of talk has happened yet,,, and by now the entire contract could have been fulfilled and everybody would be happy with their new guns.
But NOoooo!
Politics is the Science of Self Perpetuating BS! How people feel that this is useful to a society is beyond me.
Randy
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not really politics,
public service, and public works. they do all the purchacing and procurement. (they will rewrite requirements if they don't like them, without input from the end user)
public service, and public works. they do all the purchacing and procurement. (they will rewrite requirements if they don't like them, without input from the end user)
I got to see the Ruger rifle at the recent gun-show here in UK and it was just SOOOOOOO handy, even in the out-of-the-box version we had to look at, although I'd guess there would need to be some changes made for compliance with Ranger SOUs.
For many years I used a Swedish m/38 in Normark and Swedish and Finnish Lappland that had never had anything done to it at all, and it never failed to fire for me, or its owner, who had taken over 3000 elk with it over the years, nor HIS dad, who had been using it since 1946 in game conservancy. Bolts are great in the cold with the correct lubes. And yes, it gets cold up there, too.
tac
For many years I used a Swedish m/38 in Normark and Swedish and Finnish Lappland that had never had anything done to it at all, and it never failed to fire for me, or its owner, who had taken over 3000 elk with it over the years, nor HIS dad, who had been using it since 1946 in game conservancy. Bolts are great in the cold with the correct lubes. And yes, it gets cold up there, too.
tac
Have a look at the Ruger when it's in a snow bank and -50C, that may be the deal breaker. Since Colt Canada is USA owned they must get permission from the USA Gov to sell AR's to an outfit like the Toronto police. Probably the reason that they are only now selling to Canadian citizens is because it's taken that long to get permission from their masters in the USA. When all is said and done the Rangers will get a good rifle and it really is a drop in the bucket for the DND budget. Remember that this rifle is about the only form of compensation that the Rangers get and it is intended to be used as a meal provider. It does not need ten round mags and pic rails that will never be used, same for scopes. It will be 7.62/308 so it can shoot both service ammo and hunting ammo. Biggest issue I see is finding a suitable set of irons for it that will work as per the #4. About four years ago I put together a sample rifle for this purpose and I actually used sights from the #4.
Given the nature of the organization and the likely uses of the rifle, why the need for a common model? Give each Ranger a one-time gun allowance and an annual ammo allowance and let them shoot whatever the heck they want. What they would select would probably be surprising. All this talk about the harsh climate- you don't think these guys are capable of keeping pretty much anything functioning if their survival depends on it? This is a true token military presence in the Arctic and should be funded accordingly.
milsurpo
milsurpo
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You're right but not the technical parts..
Surely an outfit like Colt would be able to manufacture some kind of rail mounted rear aperture sight that would work as well or better than the Mark 1 aperture. Heck, there would even be an aftermarket for them from those of us dealing with aging eyes.
No, it has nothing to do with being US-owned. It has everything to do with the fact that it is made under license from Colt.
It was like that from day one, when Diemaco was a Canadian owned company.
Well, this is the MILSURP forum. I'm surprised that no one is plumping for the MK III Ross or Martini-Henry yet. Lots of Mosin-Nagant and No4 boosters to this point though. I'd repeat my earlier question; what do most Innuit hunters prefer to use, other than a DND supplied No4 with gratis ammo?
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