Update On Ontario Restricted Transfer Times

Brendon292 said:
I work for an armed federal agency and have friends who work for other armed agencies (municipal, provincial, and federal). Literally none of us are required to buy our own pistol and/or practice on their own time. I'm not saying you're being untruthful, but what you're telling me is just really weird.

Are you willing to share the name of which agencies operate like this?


Why would you need an ATC? Couldn't you just drive to a range to practice with an ATT?
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a company owns the guns which are being carried by her employees - ATC holders - while on duty in a uniform,
usually an ATC holder is allowed to take a company's gun for an initial and yearly ATC requalification courses,
no ATTs are being used/issued, and no guns' registration certificates are being possessed by employees ...


but a company would not allow any other use of her guns ...

so, for the training, an ATC holder carrying a company handgun on duty would need a personal one ...

one of the problems with these brainless crappy new rules, the current initial training for an ATC (5 days) is inadequate for a novice fresh from RPAL course,
being heavy on Use-Of-Force aspects and relying on previous actual shooting skills to pass practical tests ... and these skills are now nowhere to be acquired ...
as to keeping them on a level required for requalification ..

this is my personal understanding, I may be mistaken ...
 
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Brendon292 said:
I work for an armed federal agency and have friends who work for other armed agencies (municipal, provincial, and federal). Literally none of us are required to buy our own pistol and/or practice on their own time. I'm not saying you're being untruthful, but what you're telling me is just really weird.

Are you willing to share the name of which agencies operate like this?


Why would you need an ATC? Couldn't you just drive to a range to practice with an ATT?
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Non governmental agencies, ie armed couriers and private security are required to have an ATC to carry while working. Most if not all companies will not allow employees access to the company firearms outside of working hours and certification/recertification courses.
 
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SLToronto said:
a company owns the guns which are being carried by her employees - ATC holders - while on duty in a uniform,
usually an ATC holder is allowed to take a company's gun for an initial and yearly ATC requalification courses,
no ATTs are being used/issued, and no guns' registration certificates are being possessed by employees ...


but a company would not allow any other use of her guns ...

so, for the training, an ATC holder carrying a company handgun on duty would need a personal one ...

one of the problems with these brainless crappy new rules, the current initial training for an ATC (5 days) is inadequate for a novice fresh from RPAL course,
being heavy on Use-Of-Force aspects and relying on previous actual shooting skills to pass practical tests ... and these skills are now nowhere to be acquired ...
as to keeping them on a level required for requalification ..

this is my personal understanding, I may be mistaken ...
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There’s 2 organizations that I’m aware of in Ontario that teach firearms handling specifically for these situations and have ranges and firearms for their course’s There might even be more I’m not aware of.
 
Rand said:
B2P #60456xx from Oct 3/22 originated from Ontario.
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Yes, but YOUR province determines the transfer process delay, regardless of which province you bought it in. This thread is for Ontario transfers, which are for transfers going to Ontario residents (regardless of where the guns are coming from).
 
Great Northern said:
Seems like they’ve picked up the pace on private to private transfers, but have slowed on the business transfers…
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The private to private transfers have picked up. I tweaked my spreadsheet tracking them. I was averaging the number of days the P to P transfers were lagging behind the B to P transfers each week. Now I added the median days delay each week. Rouge approvals were really throwing off the average so the median is a much better representation.

At the beginning of October there was little or no delay for P to P approvals. Then the delay continued to increase until it peaked in the first week of January at 37 days. So far this week the median delay is down to 31 days and today the delay is under 20 days.

If only they would batch process the transfers we would get our approvals sooner and we wouldn't have to track this. There is just no valid reason not to batch process once Oct 21 hit.
 
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fortytwo45 said:
The private to private transfers have picked up. I tweaked my spreadsheet tracking them. I was averaging the number of days the P to P transfers were lagging behind the B to P transfers each week. Now I added the median days delay each week. Rouge approvals were really throwing off the average so the median is a much better representation.

At the beginning of October there was little or no delay for P to P approvals. Then the delay continued to increase until it peaked in the first week of January at 37 days. So far this week the median delay is down to 31 days and today the delay is under 20 days.

If only they would batch process the transfers we would get our approvals sooner and we wouldn't have to track this. There is just no valid reason not to batch process once Oct 21 hit.
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I’ve asked them about this and put this suggestion to the Ombudsmen as well. Not doing batch transfers is intentionally being inefficient.
 
redflagmat said:
I’ve asked them about this and put this suggestion to the Ombudsmen as well. Not doing batch transfers is intentionally being inefficient.
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Exactly.
They don't give a sh!t about making us wait half a year (or more by the time they're done) for someone to enter a few keystrokes on a computer.
Or that I log in here regularly to see how much closer my 6000+'s are, only to find that B2P approvals are actually slowing down.
 
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fortytwo45 said:
The private to private transfers have picked up. I tweaked my spreadsheet tracking them. I was averaging the number of days the P to P transfers were lagging behind the B to P transfers each week. Now I added the median days delay each week. Rouge approvals were really throwing off the average so the median is a much better representation.

At the beginning of October there was little or no delay for P to P approvals. Then the delay continued to increase until it peaked in the first week of January at 37 days. So far this week the median delay is down to 31 days and today the delay is under 20 days.

If only they would batch process the transfers we would get our approvals sooner and we wouldn't have to track this. There is just no valid reason not to batch process once Oct 21 hit.
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Would you mind posting your p2p spreadsheet? I bought one in September and sold one in October, and I would like to track the progress
 
Gindryden said:
So I looked on the RCMP IWS sight and saw that my handgun was now in my name 2 days ago, but have not seen the transfer email that I can send onto the dealer yet. I know some have had the same experience. How many days did it take to get the actual email?
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So i did some follow up on this one and it seems the email was not sent out to me at all as it went only to the registry.

Earlier I called Miramichi and they confirmed that yes it was approved. Spent a few (12) tries to get through to the Ontario CFO office and the lovely pleasant woman there checked it and resent the email to me while on the phone. After that she checked my other 2 outstanding transfers and confirmed they were there and under normal review. Also confirmed the dates they were initiated.

All in all the phone call once I got through was a pleasant experience. The lady was professional and courteous.

So confirmation of transfer numbers and dates for the sheet.

59903xx Initiated Aug 9 Approved Jan 14 finally got notification Jan 19
60053xx Initiated Aug 19 waiting
60277xx Initiated Sept 8 waiting.
 
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