Wk180c issues and problems
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Never sell a good gun that works, hoping that its replacement will also work as well. That route leads to madness!
Get the WK180, make sure you're happy, and then, if you must, sell the Mini. Personally, I am happy with my WK180, and have had no problems with it...but there is no chance that, if I had to make the choice, I would choose it over a good Mini.
Get the WK180, make sure you're happy, and then, if you must, sell the Mini. Personally, I am happy with my WK180, and have had no problems with it...but there is no chance that, if I had to make the choice, I would choose it over a good Mini.
my magpul buis work perfectly fine. maybe i got lucky!
the only issue i have had so far is it being a bit of a ##### to get some mags to seat properly on a closed bolt, and even when seated from an open bolt they occasionally get knocked down a hair and it fails to feed.
this has only been an issue with the hera mags, so it very well could be that i got a bad couple of mags.
the only issue i have had so far is it being a bit of a ##### to get some mags to seat properly on a closed bolt, and even when seated from an open bolt they occasionally get knocked down a hair and it fails to feed.
this has only been an issue with the hera mags, so it very well could be that i got a bad couple of mags.
Just got back from the range after having the extractor fix performed to my rifle. 100 plus rounds today with only one FTF. The first chambering actually.
Works like a dream. Looks like its back on track. Accuracy at 100 m was around 2 moa with a 4x scope. With increased magnification, it would be better. Ammo was bulk remington 55gr.
Hopefully this marks the end of troubles at the range.
Works like a dream. Looks like its back on track. Accuracy at 100 m was around 2 moa with a 4x scope. With increased magnification, it would be better. Ammo was bulk remington 55gr.
Hopefully this marks the end of troubles at the range.
Its low end stuff that still costs $1000 bucks nowadays.
I can remember paying $500 for a brand new Mini 30 & My dad thought I was insane !! He was use to buying 303 rifles at the army & navy for $8 bucks. LOL
The JR carbine had barrel issues. It was manufactured to tight and it would brake the extractor trying to pull out the brass.
The MVP patrol- bolt issues. very loose, hard to cycle. seems alot had this problem.
keltec sub- absolute Jam o matic with all ammo.front site fell apart.
High point carbine- the firing pin channel will start to crack.
ruger american- head space was so tight I couldnt close the bolt.
nork t97- did not feed. had fail to fire. triger bar fell off.
NEA ar- the barrel was a disaster. Their own low profile gas block had about 0.008" of play over the barrel. loose as a goose.
alot of these issues are more common than you would think. Now I try to research alot before I buy. But...some times the gun is new to the market and there are No reviews.
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I agree lone ranger. If you pay a $1,000 for a firearm, the darn thing should work right out of the box without any issues. It's called quality control.
I too have had problems with keltecs and would never buy another. Took me two sub2000's before I came to that conclusion. Both the Gen1 and Gen2 were problematic. Sight fell off the first and the 2nd was a jam-o-matic. I applaud their innovative designs but their just plastic junk waiting to fall apart.
Hey I spent $650 for a S & W M&P AR15 and it was the best rifle I have ever owned. So price shouldn't be the determining factor on expectations. I sold it to buy the WK. Why would I do such a foolish thing?
I didn't want to deal with the restrictions of having a restricted rifle. Do I regret it? Ya, I kind of do. It's no AR, but it's starting to grown on me. Sure, it gave me a couple of headaches in the beginning (loose gas block, extractor issue), but the customer service at Kodiak is the best I have experienced and they made it right. Maybe in the spring, when I shooting pop cans up north in the gravel pit with the kids with a big smile on my face, it will grown on me even more.
The WK is no AR15, but it's the next best available thing for a $1,000.
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Ya, but these days things cost more.
Today his $8 303 would be $200.
Blame minimum wage going up, blame inflation, blame higher building costs, blame higher energy costs, blame whatever you want but just like your $500 mini 30 years ago that same rifle is now over $1000 new just like all the other entry level rifles out there these days.
What do you think of the prices of vehicles these days? Is it crazy that a pick-up truck costs up to $80K when only 20-30 years ago you could buy a new truck for $10K? It's called inflation and it happens in every industry and unfortunately there's nothing we can do about it besides stop buying things we think are too expensive.
I do agree 100% though that a new rifle should function properly. The good is that because Wolverine is behind this product you can be sure that if you do get one that doesn't function correctly they will make sure you end up with one that works as it should.
Don't forget that we're not buying a Norinco here, these actually have a warranty and the manufacturer is close enough to support anyone in Canada with no more than shipping it back for service. Yes, it sucks when they make you pay postage to ship it back but what industry doesn't leave it up to you to bring it in for repairs. You are responsible for towing your car to the shop if it breaks down, even if it's a week old it's still the consumers responsibility to get it to the dealer and I'm pretty sure a tow half way across the city is going to cost you more than shipping a rifle within Canada.
My Sub2000 was fine after about 500 rounds, after that it was near 100% reliable and other than being crappy I never had any issues with the sights. A cheap POS that was fun and did what it was supposed to even if it did feel like a plastic toy.
I've also owned a gen 2 RFB and a gen 2 KSG, both were light years ahead of the Sub2000 for quality and finish. Both were 100% reliable from day one and both were great guns that I only sold because I got bored and wanted something else. I would buy an RFB again if the right deal came up.
I agree that a new firearm should function but I think people have way too high of expectations for their entry level stuff. The 180C is an entry level gun regardless of what guys think they should get for $1000. I would have liked to see them take a little more time to work out the little bugs and fine tune it a little better so fewer guys had issues but as always as soon as a company announces they are working on something like this they are immediately under pressure from every guy thinking this is going to be the new non restricted wonder rifle that is going to solve all their problems. In the end and especially with a new and/or small company the customer eventually becomes the Beta tester, this sucks if there are problems but it's not till they go to full production that they find some of the manufacturing deficiencies.
If the company acknowledges the problem and stands behind the product supporting the customers who bought early and also makes changes to correct production point forward that's all we can really expect or hope for.
If that's not good enough for people then they need to put on their big boy pants and buy a proven platform like an XCR or ACR and accept the deficiencies those rifles have like higher cost and weight. I've owned or still own a couple ACR's, an XCR, a Swiss Arms Classic Green flat top, a Mini-14, more AR's than I can count, an AR180B-2, and a bunch of others I'm sure I'm forgetting, they all have their strengths and their weaknesses.
This is why I applaud ATRS for trying to keep the MS receiver sets quiet until they were closer to being ready to release it. Of course they told some customers who spilled the beans but at least they were trying to avoid issues like this by having a product ready to go before they got bombarded with questions.
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Travis Bickle
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It's not the mags.....
Enlighten us as to what is the root cause.
His rifle was finicky with magazines that worked well in other rifles.
If the mags work in multiple other STANAG pattern rifles without issues but don't work in this rifle then the rifle must be out of spec somehow.
Mag release not cut in the receiver correctly?
Bad mag release?
Whatever it is obviously doesn't affect all rifles since it seems most guys have had no issues but there must be something weird with a few of them.
Travis Bickle
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See my previous threads on it.
Along with many other users.
The mags are not the problem.
The rifle to rifle production on these things vary greatly. Each rifle of the early runs seems to be an individual entity.
The rifles that have this problem feeding with the rounds FTF on the ramps are due to the mags sitting way too low in the receiver.
Essentially mags sitting too low in the receiver, bolt pushing from the rear (all STANAG mags tilt forward bit in the well) but when they sit too low the projo contacts the ramps too low. The mag tilts making it worse.
So you get a bolt pushing the cartridge into the ramps too low and seizing up jammed between the ramps, the mag lips and the bolt face pushing.
Even pulling back on the charging handle and releasing it or trying to force the bolt forward will not rectify it.
There is a gentleman on here who was designing an aluminum lower for the 180b from scratch (ArmedSask I believe) who ran into this exact problem during R&D with the design.
And I will bet $1K cash that if he removed the mag and stuck it in any other STANAG rifle it will work 150% perfectly fine.
After 500 rounds my 180 is just getting better and better.
I have had no real mag issues, no upper/lower wobble, and the trigger is getting smoother but nothing like my CAR15 trigger. I use all my old USGI mags no issues, but one LAR mag was touchy.
Now I did have a extractor issue, I emailed Kodiak and was sent out the new spring FAST and called, 10 mins later all was good with a noticable difference in the tension.
At the range I was complaining about my Kodiak and two of my Robinson rifle buddys let me know their 2500.00 plus rifles went back for bolt failures...
So as long as I have Canadian support from Kodiak I have no concerns, but I plan on put lots more down the pipe, having a 1000.00 NR rifle is so much fun!
Did get to shoot the Robinson's way nicer trigger, but being US based and two and half times the cost, I will stay with my Canadian built WK180c.
I have had no real mag issues, no upper/lower wobble, and the trigger is getting smoother but nothing like my CAR15 trigger. I use all my old USGI mags no issues, but one LAR mag was touchy.
Now I did have a extractor issue, I emailed Kodiak and was sent out the new spring FAST and called, 10 mins later all was good with a noticable difference in the tension.
At the range I was complaining about my Kodiak and two of my Robinson rifle buddys let me know their 2500.00 plus rifles went back for bolt failures...
So as long as I have Canadian support from Kodiak I have no concerns, but I plan on put lots more down the pipe, having a 1000.00 NR rifle is so much fun!
Did get to shoot the Robinson's way nicer trigger, but being US based and two and half times the cost, I will stay with my Canadian built WK180c.
Only 250 rounds through mine so not exactly a torture test but I have had 0 isseues so far using 5 different mags. Only thing I wanted to improve is the crunchy trigger. I ended up carefully taking an triangular India stone to smooth out the trigger sear to smooth it out which worked quite good. After reading some of the comments I was concerned about getting a quality product but for the price on a non restricted black rifle I could not be happier. Am going to definitely be looking at another Kodiak Defence product in the future. Serial # in between 1000 and 1050 so I can't speak for any rifles made before mine.
My rifle arrived this week. The first thing I did was strip it down completely. I wasn’t satisfied with a slight misalignment in the barrel nut/hand guard so I machined the nut down but I am OCD with this sort of thing. The trigger was a bit gritty for sure but a little touch with a diamond hone and it’s actually not bad. I mounted a cheap bushnell 3x9 scope on it for accuracy tuning because my sightron won’t fit with any mounts I have. That will change shortly. After dialing the scope in at 20 yards I moved back to 55 (max on my home range) I couldn’t use my normal bench rest setup because I only have the mag that shipped with the rifle. I shot two 5 shot groups from a bag to refine scope alignment but it wasn’t a comfortable shooting position however adequate. I then shot from the sitting position for a final group. I was able to print a 1.281 inch group at 55 yards with PMC bronze ammo. (Only ammo I have currently). I am not sure my 3k rifles would do any better given the circumstances....
The hand guard mounts to the barrel nut. The rotational position of the nut determines alignment. The tourqued position of the barrel nut ultimately determines where the hand guard sits. Removing or adding material changes the final indexed position of the nut.
Aren’t the holes in the hand guard slotted a little to allow for this
Trucks also come with a bunch of crap now that was optional or non-existant 30 years ago. Back-up cameras, proximity sensors, satellite radio receivers, seat heaters, power locks, power windows, powered seat adjustments, bluetooth, LCD displays, keyless entry, remote starter, etc etc.
