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Yeah, I second that vote. A target with the same sized objective, but a more distinct aiming point would make a real difference.
2015 - My Black Rifle shoots sub-MOA groups all day long challenge! Revised Rules!
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Yeah, I second that vote. A target with the same sized objective, but a more distinct aiming point would make a real difference.
Great shooting cig, nice to see an XCR shooting well. What optic?
You too kouma, but you might want to trade up to an XCR
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I knew it'd be you...
When will you be giving the ACR a run?
You too kouma, but you might want to trade up to an XCR
. Ok, I'll do it.
You know this is to be done at 100 yards right? Not 25 yards.
Just kidding, nice shooting.
I knew it'd be you...
When will you be giving the ACR a run?
Gave this a shot last week. After not having fired a round all winter, the Geiselle (sp?) Super 3G was just too much for precision shooting. UMMM lets just say there were a few fairly rapid shots. Not good. Will change out the trigger springs and try again this week. The wind this year really sucks tho. Everyday very very windy.
Great shooting cig, nice to see an XCR shooting well. What optic?
You too kouma, but you might want to trade up to an XCR
I knew it'd be you...
When will you be giving the ACR a run?
I just got a new barrel for it, I'll give this a try as soon as I can do some load testing and find a load that it likes.
I printed off 10 targets so I can try with a few different rifles. Unfortunately I work almost every day for the next couple weeks.
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Perhaps if we used any target commercially available with the condition that it has a 1" square grid on it.
I'm trying to keep the target consistent for everyone so that everyone can easily reference it for the size of the groups.
I've uploaded a three more targets with larger 1.5MOA markings; one with large circles, one with large squares and one with large diamonds. Hopefully this helps.
Edit: Disclaimer, Greentips free golf shirt prize is for the 1MOA diamond target unless he says otherwise. Can't make this too easy y'know.
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Thanks for the new targets, my hopes are back up
I've also sweetened the deal. First person to get any gold star rating wins a golf shirt from me.
Combat scope/wombat scope.....Wuts the diff?
Not trying to be a Rick,but as far as I can tell,the challenge is extended towards rifle capabilities more so then shooter skill?
I've been following this thread with enthusiasm,but the rules keep changing.
First it was print 5x5 sub MOA groups with your black rifle.
Then it was anything goes....except for a lead sled.
Now it seems the low mag/CQB guys want to cry foul against higher mag variable power scopes?
I don't care if you use a 72x scope with a robotic shooting machine,the challenge is to show off the rifle's capabilities,not individual shooter's skills IMHO?
I vote for "anything goes/open class".....if your rifle can put 25 shots into 5sq inches,good on it,I dont care if you personally could ever repeat the feat without a vise?
Anyhow....not meaning to rant,but I thought the challenge is more about the rifles vs. the shooters ?
Again....enjoying the thread,and gonna give it a shot....out today messing around with a buddy,a few rifles,incl. my new XCR...and no pics so no...it didn't happen....but on the two 5rd groups where I really tried,I kept 3 shots sub MOA with a flier or two that opened the group to sub2"......operator error again I'm sure.
Next range day I'll put the pics up....just too informal today??
Fwiw.....
2014 XCR-L Keymod
Trijicon Accupoint 3-9x40
Burris XT rings
Federal 55gr FMJ(XM193)
Caldwell Tack Driver "H" shaped sandbag
3 outta 5 shots from sandbag are consistantly sub MOA,fliers open it to <2"(OP error).....lead sled I get my Gold stars I betcha.
Oh...and FWIW...for XCR fans and naysayers alike....I know it's not 15,000 rounds like the other thread....but...."break-in" round count is flawless at 270rds,ZERO FTEs/FTFs on gas 4 for 180rds,gas setting 2 for last 90 with factory 5 rounder,4xLAR-15 10 rounders,and 2x PCV Beowulf mags.......flawless....yet to be field stripped/cleaned proper,just a wee squirt for good measure on the BCG at 180rds of air tool oil today.....jest sayn' .
Gas 4 was throwing brass 20+ ft.....gas2 today throwing 12-14ish ft,XM193.
Getting it's first thorough cleaning tommorow,pretty confident it will run on gas1....??
.Gas 4 was throwing brass 20+ ft.....gas2 today throwing 12-14ish ft,XM193.
Getting it's first thorough cleaning tommorow,pretty confident it will run on gas1....??
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I really think this shoot is for anyone who can shoot their semi.-auto. Black rifle MOA or better.
If it was just about the rifles own capabilities then it would allow for Lead-Sleds, but this shoot doesn't.
Cheers D
To everyone that keeps asking for optic restrictions or claiming they are at a disadvantage with the optic they have on their rifle.
I've shot 5 round sub moa groups with my PWS AR with an Elcan Specter DR. That's a 12 inch non free floated barrel piston operated rifle. If you take your time and shoot from a solid rest with whatever ammo your rifle likes best I don't see what difference it makes what optic you use. We're free to use whatever we want so if you think you need more optic then put it on.
Since there is no cash on the table and the grand prize is some gold stars and a t-shirt why don't we stop making excuses and just give it a shot. This is for fun so let's get to the range and start having fun.
Good luck to everyone
I've shot 5 round sub moa groups with my PWS AR with an Elcan Specter DR. That's a 12 inch non free floated barrel piston operated rifle. If you take your time and shoot from a solid rest with whatever ammo your rifle likes best I don't see what difference it makes what optic you use. We're free to use whatever we want so if you think you need more optic then put it on.
Since there is no cash on the table and the grand prize is some gold stars and a t-shirt why don't we stop making excuses and just give it a shot. This is for fun so let's get to the range and start having fun.
Good luck to everyone
So is everyone okay with allowing lead sleds and making this "anything goes" with regards to equipment to see what the rifle's full potential is? If so, then I'll make the changes since nobody has submitting a qualifying group as yet.
Not everyone has a lead sled. Most everybody has sandbags though.
At 100 yards with a 3.5x scope and I have solid vision, it was difficult to aim at the diamond with the chevron reticle I have on my acog. I just couldn't see where I am aiming on the diamond, whether the bottom, middle, or top. This diamond is 1" so where you aim does make a difference. If I had a great magnification or easier target to line my sights to, I know I could do better. I have spend $$$ on the scope and I want to be able to used it. I don't want to change it for the competition. With the new targets I think I have a better chance getting a "true" grouping and seeing what the potential of my Setup is.
FYI: I was able to make between .2-.4" groups using the same target with my savage 10BA and trijicon 20x50 scope because I was consistently aiming at the middle of the diamond and lining up the crosshairs. The magnification does help a lot.
FYI: I was able to make between .2-.4" groups using the same target with my savage 10BA and trijicon 20x50 scope because I was consistently aiming at the middle of the diamond and lining up the crosshairs. The magnification does help a lot.
Combat scope/wombat scope.....Wuts the diff?
Not trying to be a Rick,but as far as I can tell,the challenge is extended towards rifle capabilities more so then shooter skill?
I've been following this thread with enthusiasm,but the rules keep changing.
First it was print 5x5 sub MOA groups with your black rifle.
Then it was anything goes....except for a lead sled.
Now it seems the low mag/CQB guys want to cry foul against higher mag variable power scopes?
I don't care if you use a 72x scope with a robotic shooting machine,the challenge is to show off the rifle's capabilities,not individual shooter's skills IMHO?
I vote for "anything goes/open class".....if your rifle can put 25 shots into 5sq inches,good on it,I dont care if you personally could ever repeat the feat without a vise?
Anyhow....not meaning to rant,but I thought the challenge is more about the rifles vs. the shooters ?
Again....enjoying the thread,and gonna give it a shot....out today messing around with a buddy,a few rifles,incl. my new XCR...and no pics so no...it didn't happen....but on the two 5rd groups where I really tried,I kept 3 shots sub MOA with a flier or two that opened the group to sub2"......operator error again I'm sure.
Next range day I'll put the pics up....just too informal today??
Fwiw.....
2014 XCR-L Keymod
Trijicon Accupoint 3-9x40
Burris XT rings
Federal 55gr FMJ(XM193)
Caldwell Tack Driver "H" shaped sandbag
3 outta 5 shots from sandbag are consistantly sub MOA,fliers open it to <2"(OP error).....lead sled I get my Gold stars I betcha.
Nope, not limitations on optics. Have at it JP.
