Burlington gun club...5 month wait minimum!!

I'm a member of both Burlington and Silverdale.

The worst part of Burlington is the weekday prime time taken by disciplines. It was suggested to switch discipline shooting to every other week to allow us serfs who do not want to shot any discipline some prime shooting time but no go.

Seems only fair right? NOT!!!!

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I can see one or two at the most weekends a month dedicated to disciplines but I'm also a serf who can't hit the side of a barn and would feel uncomfortable surrounded by a bunch of one hole group hot shots.

My new club has a lot of spare range time for those ballistically challenged serfs (like me) to sneak out onto the range and do our unimpressive thing.

You could tape a Rolex watch to the 10-ring of my target sheets and it would be absolutely safe.;)

I'm an optimist by nature and look at it this way. My skill level has nowhere to go but up.

Practise, practise, practise and in a few months I won't be ashamed to show my face at a serious competition.:D
 
Skeetgunner: Give you a clue

H:S::stirthepot2:Even though I'm not a MD, it is still in my best medical opinion, that you have sh^t coming out of both ends. Please quite the BS about BRRC, an their so called program to bring new members to target shooting.
 
A little touchy are we!!!!! All I did was quote, I was not in my reply referring to your club in particular, so do not take is so personal, I am talking in general, there are a lot of clubs that have year long periods to get membership and things like that I just do not understand. When a new member comes to my club, we process them right away, we start with the Club Level Safety course as soon as they can take it, even if it is one on one, so be it, that is what you have to do to get them in, and then once all is complete, we process for the ATT.

I am also fortunate to be a member of a club that welcomes new members with open arms, schedules the safety and processes the ATT as quickly as they can.

In cases where the new member already has an existing ATT, the probationary shoots are waived after the initial observation to get them going.
 
Not to mention to CFI bulls**t.

A lot of squeaky hinges are saying to me that there is definitely a significant faction of the BRRC membership unhappy with the status quo.

Glad I took a detour around that minefield.

If I wanted to duke it out on a daily basis I'd have joined an amateur boxing club.
 
A lot of squeaky hinges are saying to me that there is definitely a significant faction of the BRRC membership unhappy with the status quo.

Glad I took a detour around that minefield.

If I wanted to duke it out on a daily basis I'd have joined an amateur boxing club.

Believe me, we, as a group of gun owners and enthusiasts, do not need more obstacles and people grinding our butts for a sport that we should enjoy and have fun with.

Having to line up or be disappointed due to overpopulation of membership does not bode well with me. I am quitting my other club as I only got to use it twice this whole year with too many members and gestapo like RO's .

I am sticking to my home club that allows IPSC and PPC and very friendly members, and joined a couple more where they were very welcoming and didnt have to put me through painstaking power hungry senior members.
 
Believe me, we, as a group of gun owners and enthusiasts, do not need more obstacles and people grinding our butts for a sport that we should enjoy and have fun with.

Having to line up or be disappointed due to overpopulation of membership does not bode well with me. I am quitting my other club as I only got to use it twice this whole year with too many members and gestapo like RO's .

I am sticking to my home club that allows IPSC and PPC and very friendly members, and joined a couple more where they were very welcoming and didnt have to put me through painstaking power hungry senior members.

Which is your home club?
 
You can repeat the lie of BRRC being in trouble or being a bureaucratic/political club all you want. Do it often enough, some dim bulb might even believe you; lemmings always do. In the end, its still a lie. Our membership and accomplishments speak for themselves. The club is strong, well funded, protected from urban encroachment and is still accepting new members. Its an enviable position for most clubs anywhere.

Our biggest negative is that we are located on land-locked park land. We can't physically expand the facility to increase the length of the range or add a 24/7 plinking gallery.

Skeetgunner, you seem like a nice guy, and i can see where you're coming from being on BoD in BRRC, but you also seem out of touch with reality.
I'm not going to quote your posts word for word, but here are my thoughts on some of the points that you brought up:

- Your comment about the guy who dropped in, talked to some members and got a negative impression...
His sample size might've been small, but his conclusions reflect my findings also. Nearly EVERY SINGLE Burlington member that i spoke with complained about the politics in the club. The only people who didn't complain were either the FUDDS or people who only come to shoot after midnight (therefore not exposed to most of the politics).

- You keep going on and on about your 1700 "and growing" members. Ill tell you exactly why this is the case. Its because there aren't many other options... Short of Target Sports (nazi club, as well as being the most expensive in Canada), you're the closest real club to GTA. Heated indoor 24/7 facility is great too. Most gun owners in GTA (of which there are tens , if not hundreds of thousands) that want a place to shoot don't wanna drive for hours. This is why you have 1700 members. Its not because there is nothing wrong with the politics.
Do you honestly think that you would even have 1/10th of the members that you have if switched locations with Silverdale?

The funny part is that Silverdale is almost twice as far from GTA, has no indoor range, and it STILL has more members from GTA area than Burlington... What does this tell you?

-Finally, you say that short of Hamilton and Silverdale, Burlington has the most reasonable joining requirements west of GTA. Sorry, but that's almost like saying that in the city of Burlington, BRRC is the easiest to join. What black rifle/handgun friendly clubs in the same area have more joining requirements?

-Another reason why BRRC is growing is because other clubs are following the same path. Not long ago, there were NO probationary shoots required in Silverdale. Now you need 3. If they up it to 6, I'm sure there will be many new members that will decide that its no longer worth the drive, and join BRRC instead.

-What i never understood is why different clubs in ON have different joining requirements and blame the CFO for it. There is one CFO in Ontario. Why is it that some clubs can get away with no probationary shoots for new members, while some need 3, 6, 8, etc to please the same CFO?
Perhaps its not only the CFO that is at fault here. Are many of these clubs coming up with these rules on their own, for the sake of "safety"? Same reasoning the anti's use to take all our guns away.....
 
Skeetgunner, you seem like a nice guy, and i can see where you're coming from being on BoD in BRRC, but you also seem out of touch with reality.
I'm not going to quote your posts word for word, but here are my thoughts on some of the points that you brought up:

- Your comment about the guy who dropped in, talked to some members and got a negative impression...
His sample size might've been small, but his conclusions reflect my findings also. Nearly EVERY SINGLE Burlington member that i spoke with complained about the politics in the club. The only people who didn't complain were either the FUDDS or people who only come to shoot after midnight (therefore not exposed to most of the politics).

- You keep going on and on about your 1700 "and growing" members. Ill tell you exactly why this is the case. Its because there aren't many other options... Short of Target Sports (nazi club, as well as being the most expensive in Canada), you're the closest real club to GTA. Heated indoor 24/7 facility is great too. Most gun owners in GTA (of which there are tens , if not hundreds of thousands) that want a place to shoot don't wanna drive for hours. This is why you have 1700 members. Its not because there is nothing wrong with the politics.
Do you honestly think that you would even have 1/10th of the members that you have if switched locations with Silverdale?

The funny part is that Silverdale is almost twice as far from GTA, has no indoor range, and it STILL has more members from GTA area than Burlington... What does this tell you?

-Finally, you say that short of Hamilton and Silverdale, Burlington has the most reasonable joining requirements west of GTA. Sorry, but that's almost like saying that in the city of Burlington, BRRC is the easiest to join. What black rifle/handgun friendly clubs in the same area have more joining requirements?

-Another reason why BRRC is growing is because other clubs are following the same path. Not long ago, there were NO probationary shoots required in Silverdale. Now you need 3. If they up it to 6, I'm sure there will be many new members that will decide that its no longer worth the drive, and join BRRC instead.

-What i never understood is why different clubs in ON have different joining requirements and blame the CFO for it. There is one CFO in Ontario. Why is it that some clubs can get away with no probationary shoots for new members, while some need 3, 6, 8, etc to please the same CFO?
Perhaps its not only the CFO that is at fault here. Are many of these clubs coming up with these rules on their own, for the sake of "safety"? Same reasoning the anti's use to take all our guns away.....


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Politics suck ... and the pathetic infighting and screwing over other gun owners with piles of BS only helps Wendy :mad:
 
There ARE other options for GTA gun owners ,

The Guelph Rod And Gun Club GRGC , is one of the best kept secrets .

Only 45 minutes west of TO , Indoor heated range 25yds , Trap , IPSC ,

PPC , 25, 50 100yds outdoor rifle range , shotgun patterning all for $225/yr

They welcome new members , no BS no Politics ...just a lot of fun :)

http://www.grgc.ca/
 
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The worst part of Burlington is the weekday prime time taken by disciplines.

Funny that, it being a disciplined-based club from day one.

It was suggested to switch discipline shooting to every other week to allow us serfs who do not want to shot any discipline some prime shooting time but no go.

Seems only fair right? NOT!!!!

If by "suggested" you mean that someone stood up at an AGM and made a motion and it was voted on, then no, its never happened in recent history. And if it did, it was probably voted down. If you show up at a tennis club and try to change it to squash club, you'd probably get the same result.

A little touchy are we!!!!!

Not at all. My question was just as rhetorical. If all the people critical of BRRC held their own clubs to the same standard, there would probably be some interesting AGM's in the new year.

When a new member comes to my club, we process them right away, we start with the Club Level Safety course as soon as they can take it, even if it is one on one, so be it, that is what you have to do to get them in, and then once all is complete, we process for the ATT.

Interesting approach. What's your run rate per month?

They welcome new members , no BS no Politics ...just a lot of fun :)

http://www.grgc.ca/
Is that the club were you can only shoot if another member is present? Or did that get rescinded?
 
There ARE other options for GTA gun owners ,

The Guelph Rod And Gun Club GRGC , is one of the best kept secrets .

Only 45 minutes west of TO , Indoor heated range 25yds , Trap , IPSC ,

PPC , 25, 50 100yds outdoor rifle range , shotgun patterning all for $225/yr

They welcome new members , no BS no Politics ...just a lot of fun :)

http://www.grgc.ca/



Not quite.

Buddy system alive and well... unless you bring friend along, NO shooting for you.

Fudds out in full force as well.
 
Notice how many negative posts about about brrc ?
Notice how few negative posts about Silverdale ?
Notice how many posts skeetgunner has defending brrc ?
Notice how few posts defending Silverdale ?
Do the math -

The answer is obvious -

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I was a member at brrc for 7 years. I have been a member at silverdale for 5 years. brrc is a 30 minute drive for me, silverdale is a 70 minute drive. I havent even considered driving to brrc since I quit it, I happily drive to silverdale in the middle of winter and shoot outside in a blizzard. Silverdale is the best club there is. Seth and crew go WAY out of their way to run a top notch club
 
Nearly EVERY SINGLE Burlington member that i spoke with complained about the politics in the club. The only people who didn't complain were either the FUDDS or people who only come to shoot after midnight (therefore not exposed to most of the politics).

Could you help me with your definition of politics? Because I shoot there quite a bit, and I don't see a lot of it. And I'm certainly not a Fudd. I shoot black rifles and facilitate ORA and M14 clinics at the club.

- You keep going on and on about your 1700 "and growing" members. Ill tell you exactly why this is the case. Its because there aren't many other options... Short of Target Sports (nazi club, as well as being the most expensive in Canada), you're the closest real club to GTA. Heated indoor 24/7 facility is great too.
There's no doubt that geography plays a big part in BRRC's success. And as more clubs get threatened and possibly closed by urban expansion, our location being untouchable until 2077 will be even more of a factor.

The funny part is that Silverdale is almost twice as far from GTA, has no indoor range, and it STILL has more members from GTA area than Burlington... What does this tell you?

That they have a longer range, and allow clay target shooting? Certainly two of BRRC's biggest hurdles. We're only 50m and we don't have outdoor facilites for trap/skeet/sporting.

What black rifle/handgun friendly clubs in the same area have more joining requirements?

Its my understanding that Wentworth and HAHA both have extensive probationary shooting requirements, 10 or more sessions. Galt has section caps, GRGC has a policy that two shooters must be present.

-Another reason why BRRC is growing is because other clubs are following the same path. Not long ago, there were NO probationary shoots required in Silverdale. Now you need 3. If they up it to 6, I'm sure there will be many new members that will decide that its no longer worth the drive, and join BRRC instead.

Interesting. We've never had probationary shoots, just observation periods.

-What i never understood is why different clubs in ON have different joining requirements and blame the CFO for it. There is one CFO in Ontario. Why is it that some clubs can get away with no probationary shoots for new members, while some need 3, 6, 8, etc to please the same CFO?

Its a damn good question and one that I've never had an answer for. When I asked, I was told that the CSSA was the originator of the practice. They recommended it as a due diligence exercise as a defense against a possible suit if a member did something stupid. Whether this is true or not I have no idea. I suspect the genesis of probationary shoots are lost in the sands of time.
 
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We're growing an average of 240+ shooters per year, for the last three years. And we've implemented retention policies to reduce our churn rate; helping members to say with the club. Family, spousal and Junior memberships are up too. Our gross annual growth rate is bigger than some clubs and ranges total membership base. Three years ago, we'd lose more members due to churn than some other ranges had total members.

Could you elaborate on your member retention policies to reduce churn rate and helping members stay with the club?
 
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