Soo my Type 97 just blew up on me

thump_rrr said:
Does the price include surgery?

I own 2 Norinco rifles a CQ-A and an M305.
Each of those rifles were my first in that particular platform.
Once I was comfortable in the manual of arms of each system and in the disassembly and reassembly I went on to purchase higher quality rifles.

I now own a Springfield Armory M1A National Match and several high end AR-15's

I can personally tell you that Norinco quality isn't even close to that of their american counterparts.

Before anyone starts with the M305 forged receivers I will admit that they do make a fine receiver but the build quality of the rifle leaves a lot to be desired.

As far as the OP's rifle is concerned my bet would be bullet setback causing an overpressure situation.
This is just a guess from a guy sitting behind a keyboard half way across the country.
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Not much to argue there, but ruff machinning and sharp edges is not A dertermaniting facture in the real quality and resiliance of a firearm!

Is the Springfield better? Possibly ( looks better) . Is it better per dollar? Not even close you get way more gun for the money with the norc m305 and 1911. (FOR THE MONEY)
 
guys, guys,
when a rifle explodes in your face, the best bang for buck argument is null and void

but it only cost me 11$ to my door!
yah and you are missing 3 teeth
 
even the highest end rifles blow up when the pressures get too high.

what was the cause?
one overcharged reload?
a squib in the barrel?

sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't.
 
your lucky that you did'nt get anything in your eyes. I'm wondering if it was a case head failure. just happy your okay. the gun can be replaced your eyes can't . I hope you figgure out what went wrong.
 
So just found the problem, pulled a bullet and found a mix of 4320 and what is likely Titegroup. It seems I must have put some titegroup into the wrong hopper. I have several presses and pro 1000 and loadmaster side by side, I must have become distracted and put it into the wrong hopper. I think I will have to change the hopper colour so i can't do this again, a very expensive mistake, but still I have only a bruised face, ego and wallet to show for it. Actually if it managed to stay together mostly for somewhere up to 24 grs of Titegroup I am impressed and will buy another one.
 
Colin said:
So just found the problem, pulled a bullet and found a mix of 4320 and what is likely Titegroup. It seems I must have put some titegroup into the wrong hopper. I have several presses and pro 1000 and loadmaster side by side, I must have become distracted and put it into the wrong hopper. I think I will have to change the hopper colour so i can't do this again, a very expensive mistake, but still I have only a bruised face, ego and wallet to show for it. Actually if it managed to stay together mostly for somewhere up to 24 grs of Titegroup I am impressed and will buy another one.
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Glad to hear you found what caused the over pressure and can put faith back into the T97. People are too quick to blame the gun when these things happen.
 
Colin said:
So just found the problem, pulled a bullet and found a mix of 4320 and what is likely Titegroup. It seems I must have put some titegroup into the wrong hopper. I have several presses and pro 1000 and loadmaster side by side, I must have become distracted and put it into the wrong hopper. I think I will have to change the hopper colour so i can't do this again, a very expensive mistake, but still I have only a bruised face, ego and wallet to show for it. Actually if it managed to stay together mostly for somewhere up to 24 grs of Titegroup I am impressed and will buy another one.
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Glad you found out the cause!!!

Sarcasm: guns from 'merica have auto wrong powder detection feature, cause they're "high end", shame on cheapo 'rinco.
 
icelink said:
A friend a few years back got a little heavy on a charge in his SW 629 44 Mag, he blew out the cylinder wall and bent the frame. He was very lucky...If you admit to shooting reloads. Its void. He sent the gun to a SW warranty center saying it was factory Ammo. They fixed the gun and returned it with a two page letter on the evils of shooting reloads. Do you want a new gun or don't you?
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I dont even know what to say about your shady ethics. How about providing for the better good of the shooting community.

Providing false and misleading info does nothing to assist manufacturers addressing issues...on top of that, if you would try to scam a deal with amanufacturer, i can only guess how you treat personal deals.
 
Claybuster said:
The price of every new gun is marginally higher because of replacement guns sent to lying bastards who are too incompetent to reload safely. They're the same type of douchebags who will lie about using overcharged rounds when their gun blows up and will be first in line with a lawsuit if they are injured. When the company decides it's cheaper to throw the douchebag a few bucks to settle the cost gets passed along to consumers through higher prices.
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Well said!!
 
I do wonder about the use of AR mags, not T97 mags and getting bullets pushed back on loading. The mags are close but not exactly the same. Many dealers replaced the T97 mag before the buyer even got them.
 
Colin said:
So just found the problem, pulled a bullet and found a mix of 4320 and what is likely Titegroup. It seems I must have put some titegroup into the wrong hopper. I have several presses and pro 1000 and loadmaster side by side, I must have become distracted and put it into the wrong hopper. I think I will have to change the hopper colour so i can't do this again, a very expensive mistake, but still I have only a bruised face, ego and wallet to show for it. Actually if it managed to stay together mostly for somewhere up to 24 grs of Titegroup I am impressed and will buy another one.
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This is why one should never, NEVER, have more than one powder on the bench at any one time!!!! :eek:

Glad to hear you suffered no permanent damage. A lesson learned no doubt.......
 
Colin said:
So just found the problem, pulled a bullet and found a mix of 4320 and what is likely Titegroup. It seems I must have put some titegroup into the wrong hopper. I have several presses and pro 1000 and loadmaster side by side, I must have become distracted and put it into the wrong hopper. I think I will have to change the hopper colour so i can't do this again, a very expensive mistake, but still I have only a bruised face, ego and wallet to show for it. Actually if it managed to stay together mostly for somewhere up to 24 grs of Titegroup I am impressed and will buy another one.
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WOW!
That is a lesson for anyone that reloads.
That must have been a shiitty feeling when you looked at the powder charge and saw two types.
The great news is that are still able to actually see!
 
Colin said:
So just found the problem, pulled a bullet and found a mix of 4320 and what is likely Titegroup. It seems I must have put some titegroup into the wrong hopper. I have several presses and pro 1000 and loadmaster side by side, I must have become distracted and put it into the wrong hopper. I think I will have to change the hopper colour so i can't do this again, a very expensive mistake, but still I have only a bruised face, ego and wallet to show for it. Actually if it managed to stay together mostly for somewhere up to 24 grs of Titegroup I am impressed and will buy another one.
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I have always thought that reloading is a good Alzheimer test as I have got older!:):):)
 
Colin said:
So just found the problem, pulled a bullet and found a mix of 4320 and what is likely Titegroup. It seems I must have put some titegroup into the wrong hopper. I have several presses and pro 1000 and loadmaster side by side, I must have become distracted and put it into the wrong hopper. I think I will have to change the hopper colour so i can't do this again, a very expensive mistake, but still I have only a bruised face, ego and wallet to show for it. Actually if it managed to stay together mostly for somewhere up to 24 grs of Titegroup I am impressed and will buy another one.
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Bag or cover your other presses so you only work on one at a time. Colour or label your powder measures if you have multiple measures. Only take ONE powder out at a time and NEVER leave powder in a hopper after a reloading session. Thanks for having the courage to share the actual cause with the rest of the community. You no doubt just saved someone else from a major KABOOM. You have my respect, sir.
 
icelink said:
Glad your ok that's unreal! How would the warranty center know anyways if they were reloads or not being fired.....of course when you send it in tell them it was factory ammo....I hope it wasn't a site sponsor and hope they dont see this thread with you saying you were using reloaded ammo......most importantly you are ok.....secondly I hope you get a new T97 outta the deal
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You sir, are reprehensible. I shall do my very best to not deal with you.

-S.
 
Good news on finding out cause. I'm going to take that lesson and colour my hoppers as well. And good on you for not jumping at the rifle for being faulty. It has quirks like every firearm, but you held composer through out this ordeal. Top marks.
 
the chamber. the marks on the carrier are me trying to get it to open

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Chrossphyre said:
Bag or cover your other presses so you only work on one at a time. Colour or label your powder measures if you have multiple measures. Only take ONE powder out at a time and NEVER leave powder in a hopper after a reloading session. Thanks for having the courage to share the actual cause with the rest of the community. You no doubt just saved someone else from a major KABOOM. You have my respect, sir.
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That was my intent, read far to many coroner reports in my time and the chain of events that form to cause the accidents.
 
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